*Sigh* It was a play on the 1950's pro-america videos. They always blamed bad things on communism.

And to be serious. The point is, any country is great, no country is greatest in terms of fact. Anyone who says differently is a fool to blind patriotism.

now tell me....why is the USA the greatest country in the world..........

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Pretty much what I said.

China nevertheless was in bad shape, as according to President Richardson the US army had reached the Yangtze river by 2077. Thus, China could have nuked its own soil to get rid of US troops, and at the same time take hits from the Americans themselves.

Richardson also claims the US sent enough firepower to China to send them "back into the Stone Age".

But it could still be possible that the society was reestablished.

Now, that seems a bit unlikely, doesn't it? The USSR is practically erased from recorded existence in the Fallout Universe, indicating there has been some kind of governmental or economic break down, similair to the one our own world experienced in 1989, but it is very probable they maintained a large portion of their Nuclear Arsenal. Yet they were still one of the biggest enemies of the USA as well as China, therefore i reckon they launched their Nuclear Missiles at the USA as well. Nevertheless, i don't think the ideological bond between China and the USSR would have been that strong during the Recourses Wars, especially because of China's appearant military/economic superiority over Russia, which most likely means everyone will have attacked everyone when the Great War occured, leading to complete mutual nuclear annihilation. Nuke's enough for everybody! :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

I'm part Russian..
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Totally stole that from Bittercup

The Chinese would not necessarily flatten DC. Because there would be a lot of important information in the building, including technology.

It might make sense that if they thought they could successfully occupy DC they might just try to kill most of the people, perhaps with radiation, and leave some of the buildings to examine.

Of course the real answer may be that a completely flattened DC would not make for a fun or profitable game.

Basing anything in FO on 'real life history' is vastly futile. Since USSR doesn't feature in the timeline, why assume they had any nukes at all. It's entirely possible that the FO Soviets were in the position of the Chinese in RL: having neither the warheads nor the launch systems to pose a realistic threat of MAD. IRL, PRC are a third ranked nuclear power, behind the minor NATO nuclear powers (UK, France) in capability.

Given the worldwide total destruction outlined in the background blurb, the only reason D.C remains as intact as it is has to be 'so we can play there'.

Possile, hadn't thought of that before, but i was building on the hypothesis suggested by another forummer about the USSR Nuking all of China along with the USA, leveling it completely. Still, it's unlikely the USSR wouldn't have figured out how to build Nuclear weapons eventually You musn't forget that the earliest time in history the Fallout Universe could have devirged from ours, is directly after World War II, yet a russian spy at the Manhatten project dellivered the Soviets all the information they needed to build their own Nuclear Weapon. And even if the russian espoinage of the U.S. Nuclear weapon's development didn't occur in the Fallout Universe, it's still a fact that the USSR still was one of the largest powers in the world during Wolrd War II, retaining all the conditions (military might, recourses, popoulation etc.) for this power after the War, while China was a country of similair size which also managed to build a gigantic amount of Nuclear Weapons on their own as well. So it's very well possible the USSR accomplisched identical results.



It seems most of us agree on that.

I think as somebody already mentioned that the idea that in the event of a nuclear war every city to be attacked would be rendered to dust and glass is largely inspired by pictures of Hiroshima and Nagaski which had a large proportion of buildings constructed out of wood and paper so a Western city would not necessarily follow the same fate. I think that going by say early 50s yields F3's DC is not that inaccurate just slightly inaccurate.

The USSR has always been against China. The time line changes by the end of the 1950's. Chances are the the Cold War lasted till 2077. China being the wild card. Both USA and USSR are against China. With the world going to hell, European Commonwealth falling apart, USSR just closed it's borders like the USA did. China with no where to turn for resources attacked USA.

Anyway here is the main point it does not matter! It's stupid to get really into the debate about what happened before the great war. We will never know and I don't want to know.

We already know what happened to the rest of the world it's clear as day what happened to every nation on earth.

Petroleum and Uranium, for these resources China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarrelling bickering nation states bent on controlling the last remaining resources on earth.

In 2077 the storm of world war had come again. In two brief hours most of the planet was reduce to cinders and from the ashes a new civilization would struggle to arise.

Spears of nuclear fire rianed down from the skies. Continents were swallowed in flames and fell beneath the boiling oceans. Humanity was almost extinguished. Their spirits becoming part of the back ground radiation that blanketed the earth. A quiet darkness fell across the planet lasting many years"

I bet the U.K. is still standing, we don't even get earthquakes. On a serious note, in Hiroshima, at the exact point there the atom bomb hit, there is a building that is still standing, when everything else around it had been obliterated. That building is now a shrine and museum to the victims.