This seems pretty rock solid compare to PS 4.5 and XBOX 1.5.

Who doesn't? The Elder Scrolls and Fallout are both from the 1990s too. And they do have newer things too, like Splatoon which been an enormous hit.

Nothing for 4 console generations? If you seriously think so, then you have a very poor grasp of what they been doing.

Yeah, and yet they met with skepticism

Just some week ago I saw some old NES review from the mid-80s where they complained about the NES controller how it's not a real joystick, but just a flat d-pad. Since then they introduced stuff over and over that we nowdays take for granted in our gaming controllers.

Vita...Vita...Vita...

Oh you mean the Persona Machine?

I prefer to call it either the Atelier or Neptunia machine, but to each their own

1. They did have some good games on the Gamecube but overall it wasn't as good as the other consoles that gen imo. I loved Mario Kart Double Dash, Smash Bros Melee, and others but I played my PS2 way more then my gamecube. And I haven't cared about handhelds in a really long time.

2. I never said they didn't have name recognition, aren't popular and don't make good games( okay Most games they make aren't terrible but the new Star Fox looks horrible). My point is that they nearly nothing new since the 1990s/early 2000s. I might be in the minority but I'm tired of Mario, Zelda and Pokemon.

3. Again I never said they didn't. But what have they done lately? Giving us Amiibos?

4. You talking about what they done in the past. What about the present? That's my problem with Nintendo. They have more Amiibos then games coming out at this point. They have 5 games coming out in 2016 for the Wii U(and that's including multiplats). The freaking Vita has more games releasing then the Wii U. This isn't about graphics but they done nothing to keep me interested in them for a really long time.

1. TES and Fallout aren't almost a yearly released like Mario. We at least get a break between TES and Fallout.

2. Hey I said 3 first lol. The Gamecube was okay but I didn't like it as much as the PS2. The Wii and Wii U were jokes imo.

3. With good reason because they done nothing for a long time.

4. And what are they doing now?

They released the Wii with the motion controller, an innovation that might I add was quickly copied by both Microsoft AND Sony, to the extent that Microsoft was going to force it on everyone who bought an Xbox One. I fail to see how they have "done nothing for a long time".

Yeah but most gamers don't care about motion controllers and most games don't even use it.

Pretty much. It was a huge gamble on their part to focus a whole console on something like that and we see how that panned out.

You say "most" gamers, and yet the Wii outsold both the Xbox 360 AND the PS3, by a considerable margin(102million units sold for the Wi, 80mil for the PS3, 78mil for the Xbox 360). I fail to see how that qualifies as "most gamers". Looks to me as if it's innovation of motion controls won over a lot of people. And if I'm not mistaken, it launched last for it's generation, didn't it? So they both(though for the PS3 it was only a month or so, but for the 360 it had a full year) got beat by the Wii, despite having an earlier release date. You can argue semantics all you want, but #'s don't lie. Granted they screwed things up with the Wii U, it was a terrible mistake/idea, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the Wii was a runaway success and crushed the competition.

And last I checked, the majority of those units sold BECAUSE of the motion controlled games. I know a lot of families that have never gamed in their life that still use their Wii as part of family bonding time, and it's usually the motion controlled games that they are using to do it with.

Mariokart with the wii wheel was a lot of fun with a living room full of folks. And beer. Lol

That very well may be true, but count me among the ones who hate that stuff. I can't stand the nintendo "gimmicks" and things of that nature. I prefer controllers, like every other console ever has.

"that same old crap" is making bank! the characters are the same but from what I hear nintendo introduces new things with every new iteration to keep it from becoming copy and past

I tend to have more fun with Nintedo's "same old crap" than what the other consoles give us to be honest. They change enough and games like Yoshi's Woolly world are freaking amazing.

And then I look at the Ps4 and One.. Oh hey look generic grey scaled shooter #2131283123.

Oh hey look a game that forgot it's a game and tries so hard to be a movie.

Oh hey look the same game that we have been seeing all generation except this one has 20 shades of grey instead of 18, that makes it grittier and more edgy you know.

This generation hasn't been doing it for me aside from indie games and pretty much a good chunk of the 3DS library followed by Mario and Zelda games. Dark Souls 3 too, that one is very fun.

the gimmick helped it sell great at the start but those fall off a cliff after the hype died.

Patently not true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_sales

Looking at those sales #'s, it remained a fairly steady sale pace from 2006 until 2012, at which point the Wii U came out and it's sales plateaued.

Gamers your hemisphere, maybe. Nintendo dominate Japan's console market; they don't approach the business from the big-or-bust model you're familiar with.

no offense, but you don't actually seem to know much about Nintendo.. the Wii continued to consistently beat the XBox360 and PS3 in sales for the majority of the consoles lifetime..



there may not have been many games on my Wii i personally liked, but I will still acknowledged it was quite a success all things considered

The problem with the Wii was that it was only a success for Nintendo and not anyone else. Few Wii owners bought more games for it, they just bought it for Wii Sports and not much else. So despite over 100 million Wiis sold, being a third-party developer for the Wii was a bad investment.

I recall reading an article about this, and it said that on average a Wii owner bought 2 games, while on average a PS3/360 owner bought like 20 games. Or something, I don't remember the exact numbers, but it was quite a difference.

Only thing I liked about the Wii was being able to play Gamecube games, but yeah I didn't own a lot of Wii games other than Smash Bros. Mario Galaxy, Resident Evil 4 and Twilight Princess.

I have more Wii games than GC games

Which also reminds me, I want to play Kirby's Adventure Wii some day, which is a Wii game I don't have.

Wii games I have.


GC games I have.

Uhm, I'm not so sure about that.


Wii hardware sales: 101.63 mln

Wii software sales: 914.28 mln
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/hard_soft/


Wii actually has the second highest attach rate in Nintendo history (after GameCube, surprisingly enough). It is behind Sony and Microsoft consoles, but the difference isn't anywhere near that huge. You're right about first/third party ratios, though. I'm too tired to look for current info right now, but http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20988 are the numbers two years after launch.


We can argue about Nintendo's current direction, sure, and what they learned from Wii's story - but Wii itself is one of the best selling consoles of all time, it brought innovation to the industry and expanded it into an entirely new segment. In that, at least, it was an overwhelming success. It's only a joke in the eyes of people who think everything they don't personally enjoy isn't "proper gaming". But I'm with Berret on this one, most of modern AAA gaming isn't doing it for me. *wanders off to play her 3DS*

I recommend Kirby's Epic Yarn for the Wii!

Oops, maybe I remember it wrongly then

Yeah, same. For the past couple of years I've been more interested in smaller games than large budget games. The past year had Witcher 3 and Fallout 3, and that's kinda it, while I've played numerous downloadable games during this time. I much rather play something like Ori and the Blind Forest than the massive blockbusters like Assassin's Creed, Battlefield, CoD, Diablo, GTA and so on. Guess I'm a bit too much of a gaming hipster these days, damn everything mainstream

I have that one, mentioned it in my post too

every wii I seen sold second hand came with a TON of garbageware wii games! haha it's like parents bought all these discount trash games for their kids when buying a wii.