From the previous thread:

I'd actually posted an udate in kinda story form that explained it, but essentially...

In Winterhold, I got into a fight with a vampire... with several guards also involved. I managed to hit one of them, but I didn't see that he died. Also during the fight I was infected with vampirism, which I also didn't notice during the fight. Immediately on the end of the battle, a guard tries to arrest me. I'd spent all of my gold, so it was a go to jail or fight to the death option... I chose jail.

On my release from jail several days later, I discovered I was a full-fledged vampire when the sun hit me.

Just an average Sunday morning in Detroit...

I learned my lesson I think in the first month that if there's more than one guard to stand back. If they can't handle the job and go down on a knee then I step in carefully to shield bash or hit with as precise a spell shot that I can to help out. The worst was fighting a dragon at the 2 farms on the east side of Dragonsreach and I accidently scorched a chicken. You just can't win a fight when you've killed a chicken. Even the other chickens seems to get in on the fray!

I probably would have stayed out of it except the damned vampire was concentrating on killing my horse... and then not long afterward, the horse (I think) died fighting a troll. I hate vanilla horses, they have the AI of a banty rooster.

I guess you're not allowed to use Convenient Horses?

I don't believe anybody has ever made it a hard and fast rule, but when you consider the horse AI as a whole, it really does give an advantage. Like not having to hunt all over for your horse, you can just whistle or use a horn and the horse comes a running... and then the combat horse charge adds even more to the advantage, and the ability to access a never-ending inventory as well as follower horses. I suppose if one were to simply not use any of those abilities it would work, but in the end just having a horse that doesn't attack Frost Trolls and dragons is in itself an advantage.

So, I don't use it.

Ah. Well, given that... I'd simply not bother with the vanilla horses then. SERIOUSLY bad implementation.... the vanilla ones I mean. You're better off hoofing it (pun intended....)

Neil... no... no one has ever made it a rule.. we all just figured out that it was an "advantageous mod" and left it at that...

In all seriousness.. the only time I use carriages a lot is during competitions... when it isn't against the rules... cause...as much as I like my horses... 1000 septim suicide machine... no thanks...well unless my character...errr borrow's one.

Well, we have to use vanilla horses all the time if we want to ride. And yes.......they are almost more trouble than benefit. Good for getting moving when overloaded with goodies, good for terrain, good for sponging damage instead of us.


But sometime we can't even get a clear hit on a bandit with the darn horse in the way! The getting lost thing.....gods! If it gets too injured in a fight its hell bent on poking its long nose into.....it runs off to wait for you......but you can rarely find it even in daylight. At night...forget it. Then it svckers you into fights you didn't want, just to protect its 1000 septim butt.


The most aggressive one is not surprisingly, Shadowmere. As soon as you dismount he's off bandit chasing.....even up steps to fort walls etc The most annoying ones are stolen horses....the moment you're off it, the stupid steed is plodding home....but infuriatingly at a speed that is a tiny miniscule faster than you can trudge whilst over loaded. That's not an accident.....it means you can't get off to loot a body you killed during mounted combat if your over encumbered.......cos the stolen horse will plod off and you can't catch it without whirlwind sprint...or as I have done, a kind of dead slow track racing where I chop the corners and strsight line the curves, gradually eating into its lead until I catch it.....all at trudging pace!


So yeah......I would love Convenient Horses if I could have it on console!

Rick, that was a lot of 'knows' in one post.

I know

There are more than one movie references that come to mind (KB Vol. 1 comes to mind right away), but my favorite one is during the Incredibles scene with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOpH6E7T6I0 (right near the end about 3:00-3:05) and Helen (Elastagirl).