What would Talos do?

Post » Thu May 19, 2016 8:53 pm

Now the nords are fighting for freedom and liberation of there land from the imperials Legion.



One of the main reasons they are fighting Is so they can freely worship talos but,.......



would talos really want the stormcloaks to take skyrim. I mean he was part of the legion and was one of the main components on conquering Tamriel.



So Is the stormcloaks cause a good cause?



TELL ME PLS

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Lauren Graves
 
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"This war's as stupid as our feud with Clan Gray-Mane." - Alfhild Battle-Born

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Dylan Markese
 
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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 2:17 pm

One of talos's avatars speaks to the nerevarine in morrowind and says the empire is on a decline and going to fall soon, and basically that every empire needs to eventually fall.


However, the stormcloak's xenophobia goes against the vision of talos's united empire, and on top of that, for skyrim to have a civil war now is unwise while there is a bigger threat like the dominion.


Ulfric is basically a sleeper agent for the dominion, he was "let go", made to think he escaped from them but they wanted him to escape because they knew he was power hungry with visions of grandeur and would split the empire in skyrim with his influence among the people of skyrim.


So I personally think that talos wouldn't side with either, or at the very least temporarily side with the empire to unite skyrim, then take the fight to the dominion.
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Brandon Bernardi
 
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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 9:18 pm

I'm gonna get some popcorn now.

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GPMG
 
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Make a big batch. :)

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Alexandra Louise Taylor
 
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Super bummed that there isn't a popcorn eating emoji.

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herrade
 
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Post » Fri May 20, 2016 12:54 am

Exxxxxxxtra butter.

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Kayla Oatney
 
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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 10:55 pm

Yeah, we've got cookies, cake, ice cream, and beverages. No popcorn. :D

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John Moore
 
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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 9:56 pm

There's two possible answers:

Talos sides with the Empire, because Empire.

Talos sides with the Stormcloaks, because wrong dynasty of Emperors.

Your choice.
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Chrissie Pillinger
 
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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 5:39 pm

Which aspect, OPer: Tiber Septim or Wulfharth?



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Jarrett Willis
 
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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 4:30 pm

or, sides with neither because the entire conflict is facepalm worthy

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quinnnn
 
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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 7:08 pm

Me too me too!! And a big soft drink!



To the OP, it's all a matter of opinion...

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jess hughes
 
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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 9:06 pm

Don't forget Zurin Arctus.

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Quick Draw III
 
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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 12:51 pm

My wood elf views the civil war with sadness. It seems that the round ears do not grasp that only by uniting do they have any chance of defeating the Thalmor. It is not a question as to whether Skyrim will be ruled by the Empire or the Stormcloaks but, rather a question of whether Skyrim will be ruled by humans or the Dominion. So. . . I'd like to imagine Talos would be wise enough to urge the humans to unite against the real enemy.

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Steve Smith
 
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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 3:44 pm

buttered, please.

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Rowena
 
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Post » Fri May 20, 2016 1:21 am

Talos would side with the Empire because they take baths. Stormcloaks just stand out in the rain to get clean. Hey, even gods don't like stench.
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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 4:15 pm

Hey speak for yourself! My Nords regularly go for swims in the White River! :wink_smile:

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Post » Fri May 20, 2016 3:33 am

IF.....the Contessa took a side in the CW it would be Stormies......and she does bathe, with soaps and finest fragrences. As a nord, she worships Talos (and to a lesser degree Dibella :hubbahubba: )


Standing out in the rain to get clean like some pelt wearing commoner is not the way of aristocracy, even for one who supports Stormcloak ideals (think...Laila Lawgiver).
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Post » Fri May 20, 2016 3:54 am

Butter but light on the salt...pretty please!




I've done the CW from both sides...but personally I think Ulfric and Emperor both could use a Caste Iron Frying Pan upside the back of the head.... Just saying...

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Sarah Knight
 
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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 11:45 pm

but as far as we know, "Talos" as a god seems to have technically originated from the Imperial Pantheon, not the Nordic one (although who can know for sure i guess.. Talos wasn't a god until post-daggerfall, and due to the nature of the Warp in the West we may never truly know which culture actually embraced him first.. although, considering Cyrodiil has "hero cults", it was likely they worshipped Tiber to an extent pre-warp in the west before Talos as a god was formed)




Skyrim screwed up quite badly when it came to the actual Nordic Pantheon.. almost the entire province doesn't know a thing about the Actual Nordic pantheon, 99% of the Nords in Skyrim are all worshiping the Imperial Pantheon.. I supposed they did it to provide some continuity to the people who played Oblivion, but it was still a muck up on bethesda's part..

its funny when the In game Stormcloak supporter NPCs talk about how they need to return to "the old ways" while the very same NPC is only acknowledging the Imperial pantheon..

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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 3:46 pm

Yep I agree, it should've been like Morrowind. The local native pantheon and the Imperial Cult, two opposing religions. I too find it funny when SC npc's talk about the old ways without mentioning the old Nordic pantheon. :lol:

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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 8:59 pm

Other way around. The text http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Reflections_on_Cult_Worship puts the Imperial Cult of Tiber Septim as a "Nordic hero cult". Which makes sense, given that Ysmir is a semi-divine figure among the Nords and Talos being seen as Ysmir is part of the reason they joined him to begin with. Talos' official story even capitilizes on Nordic cultural themes, like being blessed by the Greybeards, coming from Atmora and such.



Anyway, Wulfharth would side against the Empire, because he wouldn't bow to elves. Tiber Septim as he was in life would probably side with the Empire. And Zurin Arctus is an unknown.



As for Talos the God, I leave you with the words of Wulf:


  • Ghostgate: "This is a helluva place. Why are you here?"
    • Perhaps I should keep my business here secret: "Suit yourself. I don't know why you'd bother to keep anything a secret here. I was just wondering if you might be headed inside the Ghostfence to Dagoth Ur."

    • I am the Nerevarine, and I go to confront Dagoth Ur in his citadel: "What a piece of luck! Look. I'm an old Legion veteran, as old as the poor old Emperor, bless his soul. I'm too old for campaigning. I came this far to look at hell. But I can't go any farther than this. I'd take it kindly if you'd carry this old lucky coin with you when you go to Dagoth Ur. Sort of a token of the tough young hero I used to be. Would you do that for an old man?"
      • I'm sorry, but my mother told me never to accept gifts from strangers: "You're a suspicious sort. But maybe I can't blame you. Worried about a request from a strange old man in a strange place like this. Well, I won't press you. But I would sure be grateful for the favor, if you could see your way to changing your mind."

      • I'll take your old lucky coin to Dagoth Ur with me: "That's very kind of you. Here's the coin. I've had it with me a long time, and it's always brought me luck. But I have no more use for it, and I'd like to pass it on to somebody younger. Somebody going places I can't go anymore. Your generation's shaper of history... an engine of destiny. That coin will bring you luck on the mountain. I promise. 'For Emperor and Empire,' as we say in the legions. Go with Kynareth."



  • Poor Old Emperor: "The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter. Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years. It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty."

  • Wulf: "Wulf. That's me."

Edit:




While I would like to see more of the Nordic pantheon in Skyrim, things doesn't seem to be that simple, and I generally applaud the game for it. People and traditions change over time, and we see that in Skyrim. The Imperial version of the divines, which itself was a merging of Nordic and Aldmeri ones that later lost some of their Aldmeri parts, are very strong in parts of western Skyrim, especially Falkreath(Arkay), Solitude and Whiterun(Kynareth).


In Riften, however, we have the Nordic version of Mara and Kyne referred to, and Talos is as much a Nordic god as an Imperial one. "Ysmir, Dragon of the North" is a Nordic title and he is worshipped as "Protector of Man" and "Patron of Nords". Clearly more leaning towards his Wulfharth side. The Temple of Dibella in Markarth seem to be neither Imperial nor Nordic, but a version unique to the Reach. You also hear numerous references to Kyne and Shor by Nord NPCs.


Certain gods, like Jhunal and Stuhn, are mostly gone, but those have been known to be mostly gone among the Nords since Morrowind. Other gods, like Arkay, has no inate counterpart among the Nords, and being adopted by them makes sense. A god that opposes necromancy would have had to come after the fall of the Dragon Cult, given their extensive use of it.


in short, I think a lot of the changes to the divines, while I would have liked to learn more about the specifics of the doctrines and such, is a decently presented case of how gods change and merge with outside influences. Despite having carried on many traditions, Skyrim now is not the Skyrim of the 2nd Era, which itself was not the Skyrim of the 1st Era. Which in turn was different from the Atmoran religion of the Merethic Era.


Edit 2: Also, who is talking about "the old ways" among the Stormcloaks? I got curious, so I looked up Ulfric and Galmar's dialogue, but they talk most about being free to worhip their gods. Ulfric mentions following the traditions of their people, but that doesn't need to be religious. I know there is a reference to Ulfric challenging Torygg in "the old way". Which is perhaps a bit of a misnormer for the duel, since Sybille Stentor explains the legal rammifications, meaning that it is still part of the local law in modern day Skyrim. Just not commonly practiced.
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Post » Thu May 19, 2016 6:59 pm

Tdroid.....fascinating thank you for that.....The ancient nords of Atmora would be an interesting bunch to assemble research on.


Bethesda do actually employ a Lore Master to keep track of the developments and keep the Lore intact. However, as you imply ( rather than state) Bethesda deliberately introduces some degree on uncertainty into the time line, just as happens with real world history.


This makes getting to bottom of anything an interesting and at times frustrating business and may end up with two or more similar but different versions of events...equally valid and you believe what you wish!
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