Unstable load order; frequent random CTD : V

» Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:31 am

Ok, last year I had a pretty solid load order... I played for 50 hours, rarely ever crashed...

A year later, I've updated all my mods; removed a bunch includes questionable mods that were considered very script heavy or dangerous... Added in a few new ones.

I've installed everything + compatibility patches + created a TES5merged patch, created a batch patch, ran my skyproc patchers... Everything is good to go, now I've created a new character and within 20 minutes of me playing I CTD'd three while simply walking... Complete unstable so not sure what's going on.. The only thing I added after starting my character was True storms and I didn't re-create the merged and bash after doing so...

I am trying to run Skyrim Performancer Monitor but that won't even start for me anymore

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210 d2 ASIS.esp

211 d3 Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

» Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:40 am

I don't see XPMSE.esp.. or are you using another skeleton ? ( I might not be recognizing it).. Dual Sheath Redux requires a skeleton that has the ability to use the left hand for things.. Other than that, I don't know all the mod's on your list, so can't give a good guess.

» Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:53 pm

I have XP32 Maximum Skeleton installed; should there be an .esp plugin?

The mods I removed from my previous load order was Immersive Jewlery, Duel Combat, Xtended Loot and some redundant or out of date mods that had been added to larger mods.

The new mods I added were Wildcat Combat, Mortal Enemies, Athletik, Immersive Citizens (lite version), World's Dawn, True Storms, Diverse Dragons, Dawn of Skyrim, and Payrus Modder Script utility function for World's Dawn.

I am using alternate start, camping in the woods and I've tried traveling in different directions only to CTD randomly in or out of combat after roaming for about 5-10 min.

» Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:01 am

Yeah I have XPMSE.esp in my load order.. look on your MCM menu under the XPMSE list and see it it's active.. the 1st line on the right side..the top most "box" need's to be checked.. http://i.imgur.com/BG1uIPd.jpg

If you haven't on the http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/34155/? page watch the video tutorial on how to install.. it and XPMSE...it really helps.. but as a quick check.. un-install and then re-install from your load order.. rule of thumb with XPMSE is that nothing should over-ride it. ...so IF you installed saaay.. UNPB body ( whichever) after XPMSE then it's not going to be working right...but the .esp file should still be in your load order..

» Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:46 pm

I use the older version of XP32 as I don't use HDT; XP32 Maximum Skeleton, not Maximum Skeleton Extended.

At any rate, I re-installed XP32, Immersive Animations and Dual Sheath... I also removed World's Dawn, some of the features seem a bit to cumbersome and far reaching.

Also when creating skyproc patches should I have other patchers enabled or disabled? For instance if I Skyproc Automatic Variants, should I have it enabled or disabled before I run Asis? Or does it make any difference?

» Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:08 pm

I run the ASIS patcher with the DSR patcher in the SkyProc ( SUM page) ...I mean at the same time. I do change the variants sometimes, but mostly I go with default.

Some of the mod's I use require HDT physic's... It doesn't bother me so I use it... though without the option of everything to Jiggle...if they give a choice.

» Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:21 am

Well... for whatever reason the above load order is completely unstable and I get random CTD's frequently indoors and outdoors just walking around... If anything this load order should be more stable than my former load order, which had no issues... I tried re-installing all my skeleton/animations... removed world's dawn... re merged, re bashed, re patched, re started a new character,

I can't get skyrim performancer monitor to work either so I can't see how much memory skyrim is using.

» Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:02 am

download http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72725/? and configure it.

» Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:15 pm

Thanks, I installed that and also updated my enb and enb boost. Was playing for 30+ min without crashing... will keep you posted.

» Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:25 pm

As far as the SkyProc patchers I'm under the impression that you uncheck them all while making a bashed patch. Then include the bashed patch in the skyproccers. I do them one by one, after my bashed patch finishes I'll check the wintermyst patcher run the patcher, then check asis and run the patcher.

Also I would suggest checking out Mator Smash because it is far better in my estimation as far as bashing conflicting records, and smash supports way more bash tags than wrye bash. I use Smash with the tes5edit auto detect wrye bash tags script, and I have a very good modded skyrim.

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summoningbegone.esp

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StormLord.esp

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» Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:24 am

Not sure, but you may be better off switching to XPMSE over XP32.

Regardless, both are sensitive in their installs, and I've fixed crashes just by reinstalling them. A newer mod might have overwritten an asset.

Also, always rerun the FNIS user tool after changing animation or skeleton mods. You probably want the skeleton arm fix checkbox selected.

I would do this before anything else because it's quick and easy. If nothing else, it might remove one source of your crashes.

» Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:29 pm

One thing I am wondering, is the audio cutting out while in menu's a bad sign?