Crashing at splash : IV

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:48 pm

ok, my first post in like 3 years on here, my how it has changed!

Anyway, as of today my copy of oblivion has been playing up. Good and proper, not the typical CTD here and there but it has gone really bad. It started off by hanging whilst loading my save game. It got half way and cacked out, if I left it it would crash everytime. And now after many hours of fiddeling about trying to get it working it won't even show the spalsh screen anymore, it just loads, black screen and then right back to desktop.I've tried using a fresh INI file, running the game in compatibilty mode and as admin. I've tried turning off mods, getting rid of mods everything I could think of I tried and has failed. So now I turn to the people of the official forums for help. What information should I post before I do post any. DXDIAG file and load order of mods?

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:24 pm

When was the last time you defragmented your hard drive? Not cleaning house can lead to the problem you describe.

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:52 pm

I should of added that I recently re-installed oblivion, and it has been absolutely fine up until today. But not sure the last time I fully defragged my machine.

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:09 am

If your crashing is occuring with any saved game then try defragging first. (1) If it is while loading saves from an earlier installation of Oblivion the problem is likely a missing program that you did not reinstall. (2) If the problem is with recent saves you may have a corrupted saved game. If it is a corrupted save you may have to restart from an earlier saved game.. I have noticed that most people who answer on these forums prefer the Load Order from Wrye Bash hidden by a Spoiler tag, and a DXDIAG hidden by a Spoiler tag. Wrye Bash can also be used to see what mods were installed when a saved game was made in case you are having problem (1).

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:15 pm

basically I can't even get into the game to get a load running. click on the shortcut, black screen and then back to desktop. When I do manage to get back into the game I very rarely get to load up a save properly. And when I don't the game hangs as it's loading, stops about half way through loading or just a bit before 100%. After about 2 minutes of this hang the game crashes.

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:08 pm

I think I may have had this problem years back, when the game was released. Can't remember how exactly it was fixed though. Shall I post any data for people to look at?

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:27 pm

If you have misplaced trust toward Microsoft and allow them free access to update whatever they want, whenever they want, you can blame them, and if you do not have a Restore Point to go back to, you will have to reinstall everything all over again, particularly Dx9 and your graphics drivers. A wise PC user distrusts Microsoft's changes because this sort of thing happens too often.

Auto updates should be turned off, and then before you allow manual updates, set a restore point. I don't think a basic report on your system specs will help, but I could be wrong about that, and it can't hurt.

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:32 pm

Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: Oblivion.exe
Application Version: 1.2.0.416
Application Timestamp: 462392c7
Fault Module Name: Oblivion.exe
Fault Module Version: 1.2.0.416
Fault Module Timestamp: 462392c7
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 00175ba9
OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.768.3
Locale ID: 2057
Additional Information 1: 27c8
Additional Information 2: 27c8ce5af7a07bedf550bd9c573901b3
Additional Information 3: e56e
Additional Information 4: e56e9cfaf3cd1084b6b4c016d12ce64c
that's the error im getting from the crash report. Any help at all?

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:00 pm

Roll back your video drivers to an earlier version. And, as said, turn off automatic updates.

Yu may also have to Exit Oblivion, then try renaming or deleting the oblivion.ini file (...\My Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Oblivion.ini)

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:11 am

tried the INI trick, doesn't work. And I haven't updated the card drivers in a while. But I think i'm at the latest drivers. it was worknig 2 days ago, nice and fine till yesterday.

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:02 pm

Did you make any changes in between to your system at all?

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:12 am

nope none at all, it's got to be a mod, just it keeps changing on which one it is. I originally thought it was an GUI mod, installed other mods and it worked. I then added my other mods and it has gone silly again. Got rid of all the GUI data from the data folder and still having the problem.

Spoiler

AWS-Core.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
Oblivion.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
AWS-ShiveringIsles.esp
AWS-Tweaks PB.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
KoldornsImprovedLava2.esp
AWS-Storms & Sound SI.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
AliveWaters.esp
AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
Brighter_Torches.esp
Cyrodilic Brandy.esp
ImprovedSigns.esp
Living Economy.esp
moDem's City Life.esp
Crowded Roads 23.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
tda_Armoury.esp
Thieves Arsenal.esp
RealSwords - Argonian HI-NPC.esp
RealSwords - Argonian HI.esp
RealSwords - Khajiit HI-NPC v1.3.esp
RealSwords - Khajiit HI v1.3.esp
RealSwords - Orc HI_NPC v1.0.esp
RealSwords - Orc HI v1.0.esp
RealSwords - Redguard HI-NPC.esp
RealSwords - Redguard HI.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO-Water_Weeds.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - LessReaversInGates.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
OOO-WaterFish.esp
KumikoManor.esp
VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
za_bankmod.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
Knights.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp
The Lost Spires.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
mythsandlegends.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
xulSnowdale.esp
xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
RealisticForceMedium.esp
RealisticMagicForceMedium.esp
MidasSpells.esp
Marksman Velocity.esp
Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
Better Cities Full.esp
Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp
Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp
Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
Enhanced Vegetation [150%].esp
xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp
_Real_Lights.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

Right this is the load order, which has seemed to have changed for some reason, on its own. This is without some texture mods that don't include .esp

Just thought i'd add it to help people figure this out.

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:03 pm

No bashed patch? That might be part of the problem.

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:11 am

bashed patch? care to explain?

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:55 pm

Wrye Bash. Creates a "patch" that allows multiple mods that may affect the same things to play nicely together. Have a look http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=wrye_bash.

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:36 pm

right, I shall give it a go. I'll post when I get it all working.

Right, it can't find an EXE to run the program for some reason. I followed the install guide to the dot, although some of it got a tad confusing when it told me to put a Data folder within the Data folder and then to put a new folder in a Data folder.

Right, got it sorted now. The installation directions are a tad off on that website. So how do I go about "patching" my game mods using this program.

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:05 am

have a read of http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=bashed_patch.

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:10 am

Right, I have it working now, just need to try and get back into my save games.

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:46 am

fixed it, can now get back into the game. Problem now is that when ever I change area i.e. exiting bruma or fast travelling to some where, it crashes straight after loading.

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:11 pm

any extra help on this?

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:46 pm

I would use BOSS to clean and resort your Load Order. Read thru the log that is generated when you run the program. You can see if you accidentally deleted an esm needed for your saved games by using the Saves tab of Wrye Bash and checking the mods that were active when a save was made.

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:28 pm

I have read through the BOSS log and have changed some of the things it said in the log. Just need one thing answered beside my main problem. When downloading Better cities from tes nexus, there aren't any resources A or B files to download which it's saying I have to download. There's a file called permanent resources and another called resources, are these files resources a & b at all? Or are both resource pack else where?

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:17 pm

wow. You need serious load order fixing. Get the latest BOSS and master list. Get Wrye Bash.