fallout continues! : Fallout Series Discussion

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:04 am

You didn't understand my argument. *AFTER* the divergence, anything could happen (and to fit the setting, it should be in line with the 50's pulp sci-fi and the World of Tomorrow, with which plasma rifles are), the problem is something that doesn't exist in our world happening in the Fallout world *BEFORE* the divergence. Roswell may have happened in the 40's in our world, but there certainly wasn't real aliens there (unless you want to argue there were, but then we'd be way off topic), just the scare of them. But for aliens to actually exist in the Fallout world at any time, that means they should have existed *BEFORE* the divergence. Unless they were spawned and evolved to that state in the less than 300 years elapsed since the divergence to F3. Which didn't happen anyway, since from what I heard, according to MZ they were already around abducting people since the 1600's.

right and according to our own universe theres biblical proof of UFO's... .
the bruden of proof falls upon you..
can you disprove the existance of aliens in our universe?
i dont think anyone can.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:45 am

right and according to our own universe theres biblical proof of UFO's... .
the bruden of proof falls upon you..
can you disprove the existance of aliens in our universe?
i dont think anyone can.

Uh... That's why I said it would get off-topic.. But I'll bite. Actually the burden of proof falls upon the one claiming the existence, not the other way around. Simply because non-existence is, by definition, something unfalsifiable. Nobody can prove something does not exist, simply because, unlike existence, non-existence leaves no proof behind. Like Russell's Teapot. If I claim there's a teapot located in space between the Earth and Mars, would you be able to prove there isn't? Of course not. It's up to me, the one who's claiming it's existence, to present proof of such. Unless I can do that, you can safely say there's no teapot there.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:38 am

Uh... That's why I said it would get off-topic.. But I'll bite. Actually the burden of proof falls upon the one claiming the existence, not the other way around. Simply because non-existence is, by definition, something unfalsifiable. Nobody can prove something does not exist, simply because, unlike existence, non-existence leaves no proof behind. Like Russell's Teapot. If I claim there's a teapot located in space between the Earth and Mars, would you be able to prove there isn't? Of course not. It's up to me, the one who's claiming it's existence, to present proof of such. Unless I can do that, you can safely say there's no teapot there.

No..
FO universe- I dont need to claim their existance. the game does that for me..... their fallout world existance has been established. You are the one claiming they cant exist contrary to what the game has shown. So you need to prove why they cant.

Our Universe- I am not claiming that i have proof of aliens existing-or that they do (biblical proof of ufos proves only that unidentified flying objects were witnessed, and that lends to the notion of possibility. Ufo doesnt necessarily=Aliens).. I am only claiming the possiblity. the fact that water exists outside of our earth proves that it is a possibility.

the reason i can claim possibility is because in neither the fallout or our universe has alien contact been made with the greater population up to this point in time.
that revelation in the fallout universe isn't made until the 2200's.. sort of like people thinking the world was flat and even after that, the universe being geocentric..
maybe there are aliens, maybe there arent. but us not having proof of them existing at this point doesnt mean its impossible to have it happen in the future.

so.. for your points of view, the burden is on you.

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:36 pm

This post is painful to my eyes.

Oh yeah...

» Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:54 pm

Fallout 3 is done with so any suggestions can go forward to the next game in the http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1046887

Plus I note several pointless and spammy posts so I am closing this.