Deadric realms : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:23 am

can a deadra god manipulate there realm at will, or do they have to put up with whatever their stuck with, because this is what makes me wonder why mehrunes dagon is so obsessed with the mortal world.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:30 pm

This is what I'm curious about as well; in addition to Dagon's interest, Molag Bal's realm is basically a very messed up copy of Nirn.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:28 pm

This is what I'm curious about as well; in addition to Dagon's interest, Molag Bal's realm is basically a very messed up copy of Nirn.

true, i read the doors to oblivion book in tes4 and they described a bunch of the realms, but if dagon is capable of controlling his surroundings why is he so desperate for nirns realm, ???

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:44 am

true, i read the doors to oblivion book in tes4 and they described a bunch of the realms, but if dagon is capable of controlling his surroundings why is he so desperate for nirns realm, ???

Because he's really, REALLLLLLY bored.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:49 am

Because he's really, REALLLLLLY bored.

hee hee, me too, might as well lay waste to another realm....

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:31 pm

IIRC, Dagon was once a "Leaper Demon King" or some such, and when the whole creation of Nirn went down, he did something rather naughty and got punished bad by Akatosh for it. Undoing his punishment involves destroying Nirn, thus he is obsessed with destruction.

IIRC.

The ending of Oblivion is basically Akatosh giving a big ole Unreal Tournament-style DENIED! to Dagon.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:18 pm

'k, so like Dagon was beat out by Akatosh for what? what was naughty?

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:19 am

More or less. Dagon is the primary reason why the Limnal Barrier exists.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:44 pm

Dagon's goal is to destroy until there is nothing left to destroy, so that he doesn't have to keep doing it. But he will never succeed, because that's not his job.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:00 am

Dagon's goal is to destroy until there is nothing left to destroy, so that he doesn't have to keep doing it. But he will never succeed, because that's not his job.

ooooohhhh very interesting, a new question, does he also just spout out deadra monsters like deadroths, how are they formed?

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:57 pm

Also, do remember that in the end of Oblivion, it's still up in the air as to weather or not Dagon did really fail. His sphere also revolves around revolution. I'd say killing an emperor, ending a royal blood line, and ending an era, leaving an entire continent in a state of mind-[censored] peril really does quite fall into that category.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:23 pm

ooooohhhh very interesting, a new question, does he also just spout out deadra monsters like deadroths, how are they formed?

I'm not sure. There are two theories on that one and the jury's still out.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:47 pm

Also, do remember that in the end of Oblivion, it's still up in the air as to weather or not Dagon did really fail. His sphere also revolves around revolution. I'd say killing an emperor, ending a royal blood line, and ending an era, leaving an entire continent in a state of mind-[censored] peril really does quite fall into that category.

now i wonder, will they reuse dagon as the next "enemy" of sorts in TES 5 or will they add some new enemy?

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:58 am

I'm not sure. There are two theories on that one and the jury's still out.

thank you for trying to help, but i have an idea, he literally, Dagon, forms the deadra out of the Void!!!!??!
is that possible?

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:45 pm

now i wonder, will they reuse dagon as the next "enemy" of sorts in TES 5 or will they add some new enemy?

I'd imagine a new one; I'd find it pretty boring they'd do that twice in a row.

I'm not opposed to him being villian again. Just not back to back. but hell, Beth can do whatever the hell they want.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:55 pm

For the record, i'm sure Daedra can alter their realm to their liking, but that isn't enough to satisfy Dagon, as all he wants/can do is destroy, and everything in his realm is part of him and eventrually grows back, so theres nothing progressive about his destruction, whereas destroying Nirn is progressive.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:59 am

thank you for trying to help, but i have an idea, he literally, Dagon, forms the deadra out of the Void!!!!??!
is that possible?

I doubt it.

Otherwise the daedra would have completly over ran cyrodil.
You do realise the void is literilly nothing?

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:24 am

thank you for trying to help, but i have an idea, he literally, Dagon, forms the deadra out of the Void!!!!??!
is that possible?

If I'm not mistaken there is contradicting data as to whether daedric princes actually create the lesser daedra or whether they are simply weaker entites that have allied themselves with a daedric prince for whatever reason.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:41 pm

If I'm not mistaken there is contradicting data as to whether daedric princes actually create the lesser daedra or whether they are simply weaker entites that have allied themselves with a daedric prince for whatever reason.

From what i've seen dremora's are more of troops for hire, there is a set of ranks, there are rouge dremora, so its possible that they have minds of there own and can resist the will of there prince.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:58 pm

http://www.imperial-library.info/bsbooks/spiritofthedaedra.shtml would seem to imply that the dremora do choose their master.

THE OATH BOND

We serve by choice. We serve the strong, so that their strength might shield us.

Clans serve by long-practice, but practice may change.

Dremora have long served Dagon... But not always so.

Practice is secure when oath-bonds are secure, and trust is shared.

When oath-bonds are weak, there is pain, and shame, and loss, and Darkness, and great fear.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:42 am

http://www.imperial-library.info/bsbooks/spiritofthedaedra.shtml would seem to imply that the dremora do choose their master.

Exactly, so we know that he didn't make dremora, if he had created them he probably would have made them not sentint.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:24 am

Why should be it either or when it comes to the origins of the lesser Daedra? We know that some Daedra have failed (Battlespire mentions the seducers having such origins) and we also know that the Daedric Princes do have creatures in their realms. So if Sheogorath was ever to die, but the grummites would survive they might very well be taken in by another Daedric prince as hired help.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:31 pm

As to why Daedra are so interested in the mortal realm in general, there's this Cyrodiilic viewpoint from the http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml:

So the Daedra Lords created the Daedric Realms, and all the ranks of Lesser Daedra, great and small. And, for the most part, the Daedra Lords were well pleased with this arrangement, for they always had worshippers and servants and playthings close to hand. But, at the same time, they sometimes looked with envy upon the Mortal Realms, for though mortals were foul and feeble and contemptible, their passions and ambitions were also far more surprising and entertaining than the antics of the Lesser Daedra. Thus do the Daedra Lords court and seduce certain amusing specimens of the Mortal Races, especially the passionate and powerful...

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:12 am

As to why Daedra are so interested in the mortal realm, there's this Cyrodiilic viewpoint from the http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml:

very good, that certainly answers many questions, and explains why sheogorath has his madmen and the champion.