I'm sorry, what? The wim of nature? Red-eyed genes? What? That's even as bad as hearing why the Dunmer voice changed.

Considering you have a man-god who's part gold and part gray, who cares about genes? (Then again, he's different...)We don't even know how inheritance actually works in Tamriel and you're extrapolating it using real-world phenomena. I mean, the mother being the major source of characteristics of the offspring

Please get a grip. They're arbitrary rules created by the devs to make their lives during game development easier.

The dunmer have a high resistance to heat that is most likely due to their geographical location. Natural selection most likely played a part in this, since I've never heard this phenomenon attributed to Azura's curse. This leads me to believe that on a small scale, evolution does exist. It's just not as obvious as it is in our world. Plus, Nirn is younger than Earth. Evolution takes time.

Then you have the whole divine intervention thing. Evolution cannot take place in a natural progression if it is being interfered with by outside forces. In our world, when the environment a species lives in changes, they have three choices: evolve, die, or relocate. On Nirn, there's an extra choice: pray to your patron diety for assistance and maybe just maybe he/she will appear and save your race.

Gods actively participate in the day to day happenings on Nirn. You don't see much of that on earth. At least not anymore. I think we pissed them all off and they left.

Well, the races do occasionally combine or split, which is arguably a form of micro evolution under a different name.

No, no, no, you're all wrong.
The secret behind how the Chimer became the Dunmer and the Dwemer became "gone" is completely different.
It all was just a huge race-wide tavern crawl which escalated a little. See, the Chimer challenged the Dwemer to a huge drinking contest and things just got out of hand. Nerevar began digging Dumac's wife (or the other way round, Almalexia IS a prime target) and then a real big tavern brawl began, imagine two whole races totally drunk going at each other's throats. Epic! As is evidenced by history, the Dwemer lost and got literally pounded to dust by the Chimer. Exit Dwemer. However, that whole drunken brawl left its traces on the Chimer, too, red eyes from excessive alcohol consumption and ashen-dark skin from being totally exhausted and drunk (ever looked at those horrible dark circles around the eyes after nights without sleep and too much alcohol? Scale that unto mythic proportions and you become a Dunmer without pointy ears). As a bonus, their voices became rough - due to the alcohol and that whole loud screaming during the fight - and their grumpy attitude to all non-Dunmer is easily the result of that huge hangover the now-Dunmer must have had. And that whole result of the brawl just stuck with the Dunmer. Or, better yet, reenacting that brawl is a secret initiation rite to all young Dunmer coming of age - which we will never witness because all citizens of whole Tamriel keep their children hidden in the closets until they've grown up.

See, all's easy. Now, I wonder if I should post that to the FSG...

Seriously. My Darwinian-Dunmer thing was so obviously not serious that half the reason I explained it in the first place was because I always love to see you go all OMG over things. :toughninja:

That doesn't explain why their skin is fire-resistant. If they're full of alcohol, they should be WEAK to fire, since it's flammable.

I thought that there were the Aldmeri in the beginning, who were the last survivors of Ol'Ehlfehnholy (spelling is wrong, I know), and they could not undo the changes to those who had been swept from the walls of their ancient home and so abandoned them to the world. And they were as such the progenitors of all beings...

Although the races have changed furiously since then, don't fret none about how they came about in the first place. It all took place in the Dawn Era. Duh. God particle to iguana in three days. Or was that three million- nevermind.

Good job. You managed to blend in with all the warped ideas that being passed on throughout this forum. :trophy:

Doesn't this fall into the forbidden topics of religion/politcs? This particular topic is floged to death so many times on the web, so why bring this up here? Bsides which, since that TES is a videogame and everything in it was programed, it technically falls under the heading "Intelligent Design".

*pulls out trumpet with plunger mute*

wah wah wah wahhhhhhhh

Last I heard, evolution was science.

Last I heard. This had no place on the forums.

(looks both ways for Dog's Body..... Sees the coast is clear.. for now.)


While genuine legit evolutionary scientists are indeed true scientists, there are a number of pseudo-scientific "Evolution [censored]" who shriek "NATURAL SELECTION!" in the same way that other religious groups bang on bibles.


That is to say, it has stopped being a facts-oriented conjecture for them, and become something they accept on faith, which technically makes it the same as any other religious explanation, for said individuals.

No science? I'll go tell Wierd the bad news.


My point? There's no controversy here, not even a debate, so everyone cool off and stop trying to pretend that there is.


Edit: Darn it Wierd, you just completely flummoxed my post. Edit, knave, edit!

When people go "What!? How DARE YOU say evolution is WRONG! It's JUST LIKE DARWIN SAID IT WAS!!" and turn purple when you mention that Darwin was only "Half right" in terms of currently accepted theorems on evolutionary biology---- and start reaching for a copy of The Origin of Species like it is ultimate truth---

I am afraid I have no choice but to see it in the same fashion as the divine creationists, and their reaching for their bibles.


So, NO, I wont edit it.

Long live your argument, but you see, I was just trying to insist that no one was arguing about the damn culture wars...

oh gee

:lol:

If heredity exists, then so does evolution, because they're practically the same thing.

Which reminds me, I have to write a "Faith vs Evolution" paper today for biology >.<

Faith VS *SCIENCE*!!!


I think I just made it ABUNDANTLY clear that "evolution" can be taken on faith JUST as easily!!!


Honestly! :flame:

That's why scientific creationists are so much fun, they're too marginal to have any instruction manual.

Science requires a good deal of faith itself, but wht I think he means is Creation vs Evolution... but like I say, why can't things simply 'be'? But as for the original thread yes, it's possible that evolution shaped much of the world of Tamerial. It is a fantasy setting, anything is possible after all.

Broadly speaking, yes, but it does carry undertones of a whole string of subtopics. Like, how relevant are genes in a universe that is a dream of the Godhead? If the http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/notesracial.shtml of Daedric children are true, it means corporeal spirits can impregnate mortals. Just what does this mean to biology?

This...does not strike me as a very biological subject.

I do not understand this need to create controversy where none should exist.