Okay, one of the few MKoncepts I actually like is the Enantinomorph, at least insofar as I heard it. So, please, help me out and tell me if this is right:

You have the first two beings, Anu/Padomay, Stasis/Chaos, whatever. They fight over Proze, in the original case a woman/ something a mortal mind would call a feminine being to their male. One is defeated by the other, but the victor is horribly wounded, and is eternally effected by the wounds.

The big word itself is what happens when this conflict is played out in the mortal world, two people fight over a proze, be it land or women or power. That's about where my understanding stops. Since apparently playing this out makes men into gods. That's where I stop getting it because two people fighting over something (or someone) is simply the human experience.

Could anyone tell me if I'm right in the idea of what it is then explain how it works, since I actually kind of enjoy this particular idea.

http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/nazzarticle05.shtml offers an excellent explanation.

Thank you, but I'm having trouble understanding some of it. I only speak politics and english.

It's essentially a mimic of what happened to Akatosh and Lorkhan, and in turn Anu and Padhome. And mimicry of mythic sh*t can have grand effects in the world of TES. Here is my take on it:

Someone, usually a king of some sort, will be secretly murdered (which has a double meaning) by a rebellious upstart. Perhaps the most famous of these is that of Talos. Hjalti Early-Beard, who is the TRUE Tiber Septim in a way, and Zurin Arctus betray Wulfharth, who is the current Underking, by leading him into an ambush; for the record, this is the "color of betrayal" mentioned in http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/wulfharthsongs.shtml and the http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/arcturian.shtml because, according to said Songs, Voryn Dagoth lead the Shor-led Nordic armies into an ambush under Red Mountain. That ambush results in Wulfharth having his soul trapped into the Mantella, a soulgem used to power Numidium. This event also has Zurin killed because before he turns to ash, Wulfharth's heart roars a hole into Zurin's chest where HIS heart is. In my eyes, this makes Zurin become the Underking in Daggerfall.

Just in case it hasn't clicked yet, the Underking is an avatar of Lorkhan.

In TES II, Zurin the Underking is running around saying "the Mantella's my heart blah blah blah" because it technically IS, so when he reunites with it, Talos is created. Why? Because the aforementioned events mimic what happened to Lorkhan: heart removal and betrayal of oneself to themselves (at one point, people think Tiber is in two places at once because of the placement of the Underking and his armies. Recall that Akatosh is Lorkhan, as well). Tiber (Akatosh) has Wulfharth's (Lorkhan) soul ripped out and placed into the Mantella (Heart). So when the Underking (Lorkhan) gets the Mantella (Heart) back, it brings crap full circle.

Someone will probably come up and chip at my response and clear some crap up for you that I either screwed up or missed.

edit: The "secret murder" I mentioned not only refers to assassination, but by "joining" with a person in such a way that you become One. You join in such a way that no one can tell the difference between the two of you. Examples are the confusion caused at Cuhlecain's assasination (some claim Tiber himself died) and how, at one point, people thought Tiber was at two different places at once courtesy of Wulfharth. The "secret murder" crap also appears in the Sermons where Vivec talks about marriage, and after said mentioning of marriage, he says he means http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#11.

The two halves (which are the the same person because Anu and Padomay are halves of the same Godhead) fight endlessly, two 1s make 11 and they keep switching places, endlessly. The Rebel overthrows the King and claims the thrown, soon to be deposed himself. It's a back-and-forth pattern which MK has described as a http://micromachine.stanford.edu/~hopcroft/Research/resonator_images/sin_mov1.gif

They fight over something, some objective, originally the infantile Aurbis that came about the instant Anu and Padomay interacted, and the struggle is witnessed by a lower subgradient of creation- a lower level of existence that results in its own mimicking enantiomorphs, as Akatosh vs. Lorkhan followed Anu vs. Padomay.

So there are four roles. Now that I've explained it, I'd like to quote the template, but I can't for the life of me find it.

See that's english right there. Thanks Paws. So I had a shadow of the idea, at least I got the thing where two greats fight over the same thing.

That being said, was there a mini-Enantinomorph when Tharn stole the throne? I may only be thinking this because I still only have it in bits and pieces, but they were both fighting over Tamriel, the "rebel" quite literally became almost indistinguishable from the "king," taking his throne. If there was, d'you think Tharn planned it?

Serjo Lycanthropic Nerevar,

It was not too long ago that I was in the same situation that you are, namely that of not understanding the concept of enantiomorphic beings. So, I did as you have done, namely that of asking the lore forum to explain. I received many good responses that effectively set me straight.

Please see my "http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=646697" thread. (Yeah, that's actually the thread's name.)

I hope this helps, my friend.


Yours in the Scrolls,


___TWM

That's the thread i couldn't find. Thanks for pointing me to it, wordy!

well, I guess this thread's pointless now I know where the other is, so I'll get this closed.

Closed per OP request.