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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:33 am

It's all based on a creation myth. Most people don't trust multiples of those.


Fundamentally Nirn is a world where myths are real, but that's also meta-logic and not quite as satisfying.

As an in world rationale you can see that the Altmer and Nords as well as other share the same stories about Lorkhan/Shor losing his heart -occasionally his heart is called 'the Divine Spark'. This includes the Yokudans who were culturally seperated from Tamriel until somewhere in the first Era.

This implies that these myths aren't simply made up stories to explain why the world is as it appears as most religions do, but rather the these myths are retelling of an actual event that everybody on Tamriel has witnessed.

Now add into this that the 'alleged' Heart of Lorkhan actually looks like a giant Heart and can be found in a crater/vulcano surrounded with Ebony which is also called gods blood (which infused with daedric souls gives you Daedric Armor), the myth that Lorkhans heart was ripped out and thrown across Nirn, splattering blood on impact isn't that far fetched.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:05 am

I think the red boiling lava is rather more obvious.

Heart of the world and world's blood.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:09 am

As Ayleids are a type of Altmer. The break only happened between 200 and 300 years before. I doubt they would be that upset, especially since they were fleeing from a major enemy. The Ayleids fled primarily into Valenwood. But since Valenwood and Summurset have been united for a long time, since 830 2nd age... and Firsthold is the city closest to Valenwood (maybe second to Skywatch), it's far from inconcievable.

Not inconceivable, no, but considering the fact that in something as important as the Atlmeri creation myth they say right out the Bosmer are tainted because they "had soiled Time's line by taking Mannish wives", just how would they view a kingdom whose labour was largely human slaves? Moreover, how would they feel about a tributary kingdom from which they received neither word nor tribute for 300 years? As I said earlier, one (admittedly biased) source claims banishment to the mainland was tantamount to a death sentence, corroborated by the fact Alinor was forbidden to outsiders for most of its history. How would they feel about a people returning, and why would they be willing to embrace refugees at all, especially to the point where the supposedly snottiest of snot-nosed people would let them interbreed with what would probably be nobility, as Gez surmised Ocato might be? Yes, the Ayleids are a type of Aldmer, but they also developed as a race and culture apart, as White Tower itself proves. Their practices would also be considered deviant to Altmer sensibilities, and the Altmer are, if anything, stern traditionalists. And if this wasn't the case, and the Ayleids were no different to the people of Summerset, it would make a reputed Ayleid ancestory rather a non-issue.

So, no, not inconceivable, but very, very unlikely.

Again, I'm not changing my mind on this, unless a Dev or former Dev (like MK or Tedders) says otherwise or their is definate proof that he has no Ayleid blood in him, instead "He's from Firsthold." which seems to all everyone is saying.

I think you have it wrong. You're argument for the secret Ayleid ancestry of Ocato is that both races share pointy ears. The fact that he's from Firsthold has more than a few stumbling blocks attached to it.

Sorry for the break in your regular transmission. I now return you to this week's documentary on why the heart-shaped thing in Red Mountain is really the heart of Lorkhan like all the other sources say it is.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:25 am

Fundamentally Nirn is a world where myths are real, but that's also meta-logic and not quite as satisfying.
Myths can be real, rather.

As an in world rationale you can see that the Altmer and Nords as well as other share the same stories about Lorkhan/Shor losing his heart -occasionally his heart is called 'the Divine Spark'. This includes the Yokudans who were culturally seperated from Tamriel until somewhere in the first Era.
The Yokudan example is a good one, but realistically if they were right, how would they have found out about it or come to the conclusion it was most likely?

This implies that these myths aren't simply made up stories to explain why the world is as it appears as most religions do, but rather the these myths are retelling of an actual event that everybody on Tamriel has witnessed.
There are similar elements between them, but distortions are also there by culture and stories retold once they've been reintroduced.

Now add into this that the 'alleged' Heart of Lorkhan actually looks like a giant Heart
I'm wondering why the shape would matter, but if the shape did matter it would mean Lorkhan was much more literal than he is generally taken. All those like him could be chipped and amputated to create strong weapons. Its a little cheap, but workable. It also brings the question if his heart functioned as a heart, how is it so tiny? Especially in comparison to the worlda around it?

and can be found in a crater/vulcano surrounded with Ebony which is also called gods blood
Circular logic. Myth reinforcing the myth, whether or not it is true. Even so, where is the armor made from Akatosh's blood?

(which infused with daedric souls gives you Daedric Armor),
Anything infused with daedric souls would or could become daedric couldn't it?

the myth that Lorkhans heart was ripped out and thrown across Nirn, splattering blood on impact isn't that far fetched.
It isn't far fetched, and it is the version I agree with, but it seemed there hadn't been a questioning of the accepted on the issue. A myth also said the heart was shot into the sea where no one would ever find it.

I think the red boiling lava is rather more obvious.

Heart of the world and world's blood.
Mixing metaphors, but it fits in a video-game sense.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:49 am

There are similar elements between them, but distortions are also there by culture and stories retold once they've been reintroduced.


Indeed, but as a whole they are recognizable as descriptions of the same series of events.

It isn't far fetched, and it is the version I agree with, but it seemed there hadn't been a questioning of the accepted on the issue. A myth also said the heart was shot into the sea where no one would ever find it.


Which has always been an almost a surefire way to guarantee that it will be found. :P

The Yokudan example is a good one, but realistically if they were right, how would they have found out about it or come to the conclusion it was most likely?


The simplest thing would be to ask any of your gods or interview the spirits of your ancestors who witnessed the event.

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It's what I like about Tamriel. The magic isn't there as an excuse to explain why impossible stuff happens but it's an actual part of the world and people use it as such.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:37 pm

Well, they're only as short as you make them! As you bake them... ehh...
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