Creation...

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:25 am

Ok, I have a basic understanding of the creation of the universe (the fictional Elder Scrolls universe of course), but there are somethings that don't make sense. Most of what I understand is from http://www.imperial-library.info/book_daedra/, but I have I can't understand some things.

First things first, how did Anu and Padomay create Aurbis? And, Anu (which is Sithis?) is supposedly the concept of "Is", but shouldn't it be "Is Not" if Anu = Sithis? I'll probably ask more questions after these are answered, because I've got a bit of a feeling that more questions are going to come than those that were answered :P
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:11 am

1. Anu and Padomay created the Aurbis by their interplay, or as other myths phrases it their interplay is the Aurbis.
These dualities come with names as Anu-Padomay, Anuiel-Sithis, IS-IS NOT, Bird-Serpent, Satak-Akal. Though their names and associated metaphors are unimportant. All that matters is that they are diametrically opposites.

2. Anu isn't Sithis. Anu is either the Void in which you have Anuiel and Sithis, the Altmeri variations on Anu and Padomay. Or Anu is the counter part of Padomay, who are together in the Void.

There are some philosophies which consider the counterpart to Anu, Padomay to be imaginary and that as such Anu is in conflict with itself. This is one of the fundamental underpinnings of Chim, but you might want to avoid these for now, I have a feeling that they'll only confuse you more.

3. Have you read the Monomyth?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:04 am

Don't believe the Anuad. It was presumably written with Ehlnofey lore in mind, and you know those crazy Ehlnofey...

Anu is not Sithis. Sithis is not a deity but a state of existence that dictates perfect nothingness where balance is unneeded.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:44 am

The Anuad is actually pretty accurate provided you allow for sufficient metaphor. It glances over Lorkhan and Auri-El by naming them Anu and Padomay. It's kinda like people who talk about events in terms of Good and Evil rather then specific actors.

Example: The Bad guys were robbing the bank and then the Good guys came and killed them all, but then this bad guy wasn't dead and shot the head Good guy and then everybody died.
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Post » Thu May 26, 2011 11:27 pm

The Anuad is actually pretty accurate provided you allow for sufficient metaphor. It glances over Lorkhan and Auri-El by naming them Anu and Padomay. It's kinda like people who talk about events in terms of Good and Evil rather then specific actors.


Holy [censored], thank the One I'm not the only one who thought of that.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:49 am

That makes enough sense, but it doesn't explain the origin of Akatosh's duality; not that I expect anything to do that. If only Marukh interviewed Akatosh before filleting him.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:21 am

I havn't read the Monomyth, but perhaps I should. And of course, which what you just said things got more complicated. Mabye I should read Monomyth, is it in TIP? And about how long is it?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:11 am

I havn't read the Monomyth, but perhaps I should. And of course, which what you just said things got more complicated. Mabye I should read Monomyth, is it in TIP? And about how long is it?


http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml.

It takes much longer to understand it than it does to read it.
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Post » Thu May 26, 2011 9:34 pm

Don't believe the Anuad. It was presumably written with Ehlnofey lore in mind, and you know those crazy Ehlnofey...

Anu is not Sithis. Sithis is not a deity but a state of existence that dictates perfect nothingness where balance is unneeded.

where is all of this "sithis is nothingness" coming from, sithis is a huge somthing, very very very much somthing, he is atleast half of the creation of nirn, he is the embodyment of change, and chaos, which of course puts him closer to the deadra than the aedra(divines) but from what i have read he is in no way shape or form "nothing"
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:30 am

where is all of this "sithis is nothingness" coming from, sithis is a huge somthing, very very very much somthing

I never said Sithis was nothing. I said that Sithis was pure Nothingness. There is a major difference between absent and not Being.

, he is atleast half of the creation of nirn, he is the embodyment of change, and chaos


The ENTIRE IDEA of Sithis is that everything was perfect until things happened creating an automatic imbalance. Now every immortal being wants Mundus under their belt, and the Sithis constant is no more. The embodiment of change is the et'ada NOT Sithis.

which of course puts him closer to the deadra than the aedra(divines) but from what i have read he is in no way shape or form "nothing"


Obviously, you've not read enough. Comparing a nonexistent, fictional deity to actual forces that interact with a mortal world is nonsense. "But what about the Dark Brotherhood? They must worship a REAL god!" They worship Mephala in guise. The DB fragmented from the Morag Tong who worshiped Mephala, and if you hadn't noticed, the DB is ripe with lunatics and derelicts who praise a lunatic ghost.
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Post » Thu May 26, 2011 10:40 pm

where is all of this "sithis is nothingness" coming from, sithis is a huge somthing, very very very much somthing, he is atleast half of the creation of nirn, he is the embodyment of change, and chaos, which of course puts him closer to the deadra than the aedra(divines) but from what i have read he is in no way shape or form "nothing"


The members of the Dark Brotherhood all give very personal descriptions of Sithis. I'd make a reference here to a real world group that adheres to the same doom and gloom concept but I can't think of any.

The ENTIRE IDEA of Sithis is that everything was perfect until things happened creating an automatic imbalance.


It's more nuanced then that.

The book http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/sithis.shtml holds what appears to be a Dunmer vision of Sithis. The book considers the myriad of possibilities, the ebb and flow of ideas at the start of the Aurbis ideal.

As also described in the Altmeri myth, this state of constant change was caused by Sithis. The Altmer however have another view of Sithis and as you described consider that the stasis before Sithis sundered the nothing was perfect.

This difference is one of philosophical the schisms between Altmer and Chimer/Dunmer. It's the spiritual predecessor of the Darkbrotherhood, the Morag Tong who first cultivated Sithis as a basis for a thuggish murder cult.

With aid of Mephala they reasoned that not only change and death as caused by Sithis are good, but also that the Daedric element of action and thus actively causing death was a good thing. When you compare it to real world religions it's easy to see how this underlaying philosophical idea can be transformed into the "Sithis wants me to kill you/Jezus loves you" mentality of the Dark Brotherhood.

edit:

The last paragraph is based on http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/chaos.shtml.

I'm also taking great joy in calling the Dark Brotherhood degenerate. Especially considering the whole Dark God with a Dark Mother Mary their child the Dark Brotherhood, vibe that surrounds the DB.

Obviously, you've not read enough.


Thats' never made anybody listen to an argument. :P
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Post » Thu May 26, 2011 10:10 pm

Nuance has never been my strong suit.
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