Clavicus Vile, his realm seems interesting from what i've read in The Infernal City

Sadly, I've never read that. What is his realm like? I can only find references to what happened, but not to the actual realm.



His other side is a series of punch lines. That isn't just "less obvious". All i saw of his dark side where the likes of "Ta! Come visit again! Or I'll pluck out your eyes." Just a punch line. What I wanted to see where worshippers going insane and killing themselves, random destruction of towns, and general terrible things.

If you actually look at pre-SI, you'll find that sheogorath was frequently seen as evil. He threw the ministry of truth at vivec, briefly played a bad guy in Azura's quest in Morrowind, and created the staff of everscamp. Neither where good deeds, and all where fueled by insanity. None of this funny joke cracking stuff.


I'll answer that with the following quote:

Daedric princes are never evil, since they don't follow mortal values. What you wanted to see is not what Bethesda, the creators, saw. There is clear insanity in Sheogorath, the Isles, and there are general terrible things. The whole main quest was full of terrible actions ordered to be completed by Sheogorath. Although, speaking of people going insane and killing themselves, the guy who exited the Isles fit that bill, as he obviously went insane and performed an action that resulted in his death. Do you remember Hirrus Clutumnus and the hill of suicides? Also, Sheogorath isn't the Daedric Prince of destruction, Mehrunes Dagon is. The Isles aren't in a state of peace and Sheogorath isn't a good guy in SI.

The Staff of Everscamp was created for Sheogorath's enjoyment, just as several other things are. He had many dark quotes which, while being funny, showed a cruel side. The state of his people and his laws show cruelty. The torture in his realm(Xedilian, Syl) and the torturing he has you do(Syl's quest, the torturing of the adventurers who found Dawnblade/Duskfang) clearly show torture and an "evil" side. Sheogorath was represented perfectly because that is how Bethesda created him and that is how he is. I can't change your opinion, and so I will stop arguing over it. I apologize for arguing too much over this, and I will cease arguing.

I'm not worried about a Daedric Realm but if there is one I hope they don't open up all over the place.. hah

Did we really even see his realm? I though the Oblivion gates just went to little pocket fortress worlds he cooked up for the invasion. Destruction comes in many forms, and I'd expect his world to have all varieties of natural disaster -- vulcanism, sure, but earthquakes, tidal waves, clouds of silent poisonous gas, asteroid strikes, massive hurricanes and tornadoes and floods, etc.

That could be accurate. However, his realm is described as being exactly the way it is. It seems that he doesn't really have much more to his realm than what we saw.

The only two that I care about showing up are Boethia, and Clavicus Vile.
First guy is just awesome, second guy has a score to settle.

You go to his realm in Redguard. It looks VERY MUCH like Mario 64. Not joking with you.

http://7twentyfour.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/mario64_3jpg.jpeg

Yes, I'd like to see Peryite play a role. Why? Because he's the absolute least developed. He does something related to tasks and ordering Oblivion or something and gives out artifacts. OK...
A second would be for Meridia, because she's only slightly more developed: Sideways Cave, a hatred of necromancers (Isn't that Arkay's job?), and sheltering Umaril.

It's always cool to see something not previously covered. I don't care which realm we visit, as long as three criteria are met: 1. It fits the story. 2. Except where explicitly barred by lore or precluded by the nature of the inhabitants, the realm should have its own history and traditions. Obviously, if the u=inhabitants don't have opposable thumbs... 3. It should be new to the mainline TES games.

Visiting a daedric realm would be a realy good and interesting thing to see ( i loved the Shivering Isles) but only if it's realy well done. If i'd like to see something it may be Hermaeus Mora's realm.. but any realm would be great. As for daedric lords having a important role in the story: yes but not as importaint as in Oblivion. Also no for becoming a daedric prince: i thought it was a great story in oblivion but doing it twice would make this cheap. I would also like to see shrines and quests for the new Sheogorath and generaly more remembering of past hero's.

I didn't say they did. Sheogorath is one of the princes that are evil in the eyes of mortals. What he does is often seen as evil. I don't get that from in SI.


Exactly. He shouldn't only use this side for cheap laughs.


It's how we roll in the Bethesda Forums. http://doctoromed.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/obama-spidey-fistbump.jpg ^_^

Me too. I'd like the issue be rectified if he's a plague prince, an OCD prince, or both.

Also, he was the nicest of all the daedric lords in DF. If you declined to do his quest, he tells you that you are showing signs of maturity for thinking over it some more, instead of wanting to defile your corpse, like everyone else, for not only daring to call a prince but to not do their chores

This could be a spoiler I think

I still like my idea for Dadric cults being essentially factions (I think it was in suggestion thread 156?), where you get minor rewards for the first quests you do (like a lockpick from Nocturnal, or a ball of yarn for Sheogorath), but as time goes on and you do tougher and more dangerous quests for said pirnce, you get better rewards, leading up to the best item that that prince has to offer, such as Azura's star or Mehrune's razor. Of course you wouldn't be able to worship another prince until you stop worshiping the first one, and there should be some danger (more as you go up through their questline) if you switch

One of the questions we may ask ourselves about Dagon's realm is whether or not there were Sigil Towers and all the Blood Fountains before he Planned to invade Mundas?
Everything he could destroy would be destroyed. Deadra don't die you know, frustrating for the Lord (Prince) of Destruction (Diablo!!)
I think Dagon's realm was very fitting and not the least bit bland. I think the architecture was of a temporary sort and would eventually be destroyed following the successful invasion of Mundas.

I really took to the SI main quest. While how exactly things worked are not clear, even Juggy does not quite understand what the CoC has become. Although Haskill insists you will grow into your powers in the fullness of time. I believe we are to understand that the CoC will transition to immortality as he/she (Argonian, Breton and Nord - have all taken the mantle under my skillful gaze) becomes one with the realm.
-Basically, I didn't think it was stupid and I engaged with it. I'm also avoiding saying in a less verbose fashion what Hellmouth just said. You can just tack this on to his argument.

You become the Prince of Madness - I sure fit the bill.

I also take that it's a special case, there doesn't seem to be a inroad to take the throne of any other prince. Clavius vile, I'll get you and your little dog too!

fix'd . Diablo is the Lord of Terror :hehe: . To add, MD is only the prince of destruction, because he has to be. In order for things to be the way they were before (Leaper king), he has to destroy EVERYTHING, which is also a completely impossible task. svcks to be MD when he was such a nice guy before.

Would be interesting to see them face-to-face or some manifestation of them.

I say put them all in. Make the PC have to visit them all.

Oh that's right, LOD was the expansion! :_)

Meeting one or several daedric lords would be great. I would like to finally encounter Hermaeus Mora, as he's something of a favourite of mine, but also Boethiah and Clavicus Vile. I want more daedric lore and references to earlier ES games.
As for becoming a daedric lord... we did that in Shivering Isles (can't say I felt any difference though).

I prefer either way.

Who in Oblivion would want to see Mehrunes Dagon again?

I would like to have Namira as a major Daedric Influence. though not in the MQ. maybe in an expansion or an extensive set of tasks that involve her realm. More of Hircine would be Nice, as would some more info on Peryite