No, I actually meant like real weapons that just fly around and hack people up. That would be cool.

A lot of necromancers are ugly to start with; they don't have much to lose by becoming liches.

I think I'll write a story about a narcissistic necromancer who searches for a way to become a lich and avoid losing his natural good looks.

I'd rather be a suit, something that has a humanoid form. And it would just be cool as hell.

Really? I always thought liches were pretty hot... :poke:

Naked Liches...... How much do you want to bet they look a bit like the Olsen Twins?

Umbra sword??

Oh James Dean, you so silly.

Oh yea. And I know from experience they can have one http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3923/rhr198zz7.jpg...*Shutters* :wacko:

It's called be a master of Illusion.

The body is their own. They're already tied to it, whether they want it or not. A Dwemer centurion's body is not your own, it's the Dwemer centurion's body.

Your soul is attached to your body. The lich simply finds a way to die without severing the link. You're talking about severing the link and creating a new link with something else. Considerably more difficult and risky.

I don't think liches are supposed to be pretty, they're dead people, after all, and tend to have their flesh partially or fully decomposed, that doesn't really enhance one's beauty...

But anyway, I don't think necromancers are looking to be super models when they aspire to be liches. I think it's the promise of great power and eternal life (Well, eternal until some adventurer comes along and cuts you up with a huge glowing sword, then it's not so eternal.) that gets people interested, some people will take that before beauty. And who knows, maybe necromancer's share things in common with Falanu, maybe that's why they practice necromancy. If that were the case, the ugliness of liches wouldn't hurt them at all

Yes. The necromancer puts his soul into the phylactery, his body dies and then the soul flows back into the corpse from the phylactery. Obviously, the necromancer needs to prepare a ritual that will do all this automatically once he sets it running. Once his soul is in the phylactery, he can't interfere with the process, so it has to work right the first time!

Like Gez said, transferring your soul into something other than your own body adds an extra level of complexity and so increases the risk of something going wrong with the ritual. Would you really want to run the risk of being stuck in your phylactery forever?

By the time a necromancer is powerful and knowledgeable enough to become a lich, I doubt his physical appearance matters much to him any more. Having spent decades or centuries in the company of dead bodies and shunned by the living, corpses might even look more attractive than real people (at least the dead don't generally chase you with torches and pichforks).

Either that, or they all just want to get into Falanu Hlaalu's pants.

Hmm... I also remember in a previous thread the subject of the Oblivion lich model's obvious lack of genitalia came up and someone (might have been me) suggested that self-castration might be part of becoming a high-level necromancer due to the powerful symbolism of destroying one's own capacity to create life and separating oneself irreversibly from the world of the living.

This would also explain Mannimarco's voice acting.


Home is where the heart is.


So you've been playing NWN2 as well?


Personally, in that position I'd be looking into getting a vampire to bite me rather than lichdom. That seems to be the easiest method to achieve immortality without losing your looks. Just as long as you feed regularly, of course.

Ask Mannimarco. He seems to have done it. Of course, it helps when you're a quasi-god.

Kaivin: Umaril was a special case, since he was born half-divine.

He's talking about A'Tor's soul sword. A'Tor put his soul into it so he could fly around and stab people.

So? Is it not possible to become a Daedra?

If you put it very simply: From what i understand the requirement for being Daedra is not participating in Lorkhans kinky plan. And being Et'Ada i suppose. Now, drink a lot of alcohol and make sure your brain dies, and forget that last bit. You see? Everyone is Daedra. :rofl:

Bah! I was actually referring to the fact

Speaking of which, there you go. Another immortality.

No need for spoilers in the lore forum. You never will be a Daedric Prince, in my opinion. You will take Sheo's place, you gained about 0.5% of his powers and perhaps you will gain more later, but i just don't think that any random moron who happens to be crowned 'Sheogorath' will become an actual Daedric Prince. I'm waiting for the TES V rumor: 'They say the Champion of Cyrodiil has fallen for a scam of Sheogorath's and thinks he's the Madgod, and has not been heard from ever since... I've heard other say the same.'

First thing you should know about necromancers is that the very power they seek to control, the power over life and death, is a coruptive power. One that corupts totally, for it is total power. One that may, or may not, be guided by a higher power. By the time the time they get to the part where they're ready to be a Lich they're already past redemption, they have been completely corupted.

Second thing you should know is that even long before they reach that point they may already realize that there isn't any way to acheive imortality in the classic definition of the term, eternal life never dying. And they'll take the closest to it they can get, to become a lich.

Of course, if you want to live indefinitely, there's also the choice of becoming a vampire.

I'd rather take the Futurama way of invincibility and put my head ina glass jar

You mean the Lovecraft method? Damned Futurama...