i was watching the "http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/01/10/video-behind-the-scenes-of-skyrim.aspx" vid on GI and at 1:38 you can see on the marker board behind him a layout for stealth detection. it says detected, undetected, caution and danger. does this mean they plan to give the game a new stealth system? i hope so

No. It just means they're probably giving NPCs the same awareness states that Fallout 3 had. In other words: same system from Oblivion with some improvements.

That sounds very much like Fallout's stealth system.

lol either way its better than oblivions. also there were things on the board for crafting menu, looting options, and looks like alchemy.

Those different degrees of detection may not be noticeable on the surface like they were in Fallout. I'm sure the system will be updated in many ways. First of all, since they have updated/overhauled Radiant AI, they will be able to update the system for NPC ability to detect the PC. Also, I'm sure they'll make some tweaks to the way sneak attacks work (along with perks that do even more tweaking) and how stats and items affect detection. There will probably be a few dragon shouts that will be very useful to stealth characters, and a new lockpicking system.

So a lot of tweaks and modifications, but I wouldn't expect any crazy additions though (climbing, grapple hook, etc.).

yes this is all true too. but i would like to at least see climbing again like in daggerfall.

I would imagine some upgrades. Fallout 3 did is much better than Oblivion, so I'm sure that it will be at least that much better. I'm sure the new A.I. let's them do some pretty cool stuff.

Oblivion had more than just Undetected and Detected also. They had the same system as far as I know seeing as how NPCs would say "What was that? Damn rats scurrying around in the dark." or "Who's that? Show yourself!"

Doesn't quite say that. Just:



So basically, it looks the same as the Fallout 3 stealth model, which uses 3 states (hidden, caution, detected), which is a little disappointing.

The difference is they're trying to figure out how to communicate those states to the player using less/no HUD.

The concept of stealth and being hidden is always hard to work out in video games.

Word. :goodjob:

I hope sneak/marksmen are both beefed up.

Started a pretty good http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1152319-marksmen/page__p__16861649__fromsearch__1#entry16861649 about it a while back.

I think a more elegant system would simply be to have your visible weapon (raise a hand as you crouch if your weapon is sheathed) go transparent - with different degrees of transparency depicting how hidden you are.

Technically, Falloout 3 used "danger" for [detected by enemy] and "detected" for [detected by non-hostile NPC]. A simple, HUDless technique like a fade would work in both situations and be less obtrusive.

Personally, I think it would be a step in the right direction.

In TES playing a stealthy marksman never amounted to much more then sneak shot before resorting to a sword or spamming the attack button. No style. The same type of build in FO3 was deadly and a lot of fun.

That was also a popular build and you know Beth knows it.

expand the vid to full screen and look at the board when the camera is zoomed out on Todd. in the top left corner you can see what i was talking about but obviously as you said they're trying to figure out how to communicate it to the player