Surface water collor turned weird!? : III

» Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:29 pm

Ok this is really weird. When i started MW yesterday the water was looking as it should, both on the surface and underwater. But today the surface looks totally black, while underwater still looks as it should in my game?

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w172/Illius_photos/TES/MWScreenShot3.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w172/Illius_photos/TES/MWScreenShot2.jpg

I am not using any MWSE mod nor do i have a Mod that needs MGE(That i know of), so i guess that could not be the case. Wrye Mash does not show a problem, i have used MLOX to check my load order, and i used Tes3lint to check for junk cells/fog problems. Do not get me wrong i can continue playing, but it looks extremely weird, and i do not like it.

This is my load order:

Spoiler

Masters for Alladins0000.ess:
001 Morrowind.esm
002 Tribunal.esm
003 Bloodmoon.esm
004 Texture Fix 1.8.esm
005 Bloodmoon Landscape Overhaul 1.0.esm
006 The Undead.esm
007 Morrowind Patch v1.6.5-BETA.esm
008 Better Bodies.esp
009 Slof's Better Beasts b.esp
010 Neo's Unique Creatures.esp
011 Minions of House Dagoth.esp
012 Creatures.esp
013 DreadKnight.ESP
014 TheForgottenShields - Artifacts_NG.esp
015 Art Of War Museum.esp
016 Alladin's Bottle Revamp.ESP
017 TheBlackMill11.esp
018 acsSunsiBBShirt.esp
019 TBMWalkthrough.esp
020 The Sable Dragon 1.5.esp (Version 1.5)
021 TVwofs.esp
022 correctUV Ore Replacer 1.0.esp
023 dxm_metallic_signs.esp
024 Clean Glowing Atronachs.esp
025 NEDE v1.2.esp
026 Spect Sorcery pt 1.esp
027 RAMF_Mer_for_NPCs.esp
028 AIM_MW_TB_BM_1dot0.esp
029 BirthsignsAMFun_BM.esp
030 Antares' Big Mod 5.esp
031 Vurt's Ashlands Overhaul.esp
032 Vurt's Leafy West Gash.ESP
033 ring_teleport v2.2_Dubious.esp
034 NPC LCV Schedules 03.esp (Version 03-13)
035 Madd Leveler - Base.esp
036 Madd Leveler - Cap Remover.esp
037 Madd Leveler - Quest Cap Remover.esp
038 Madd Leveler - Madd Health.esp
039 TLM - Ambient Light + Fog Update.esp
040 TLM - Light Sources (Clearer Lighting).esp
041 TLM - NPC Light Sources.esp
042 TLM - Light Sources (Lanterns).esp
043 Lights_300_V4.esp
044 Expanded Sounds.esp
045 Mashed Lists.esp

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:55 am

:swear: Stupid BP!

Sorry, I had to.

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:10 am

:swear: Stupid BP!

Sorry, I had to.

LoL i doubt they have a HQ on Morrowind.

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:08 am

Ok this is really weird. When i started MW yesterday the water was looking as it should, both on the surface and underwater. But today the surface looks totally black, while underwater still looks as it should in my game?

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w172/Illius_photos/TES/MWScreenShot3.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w172/Illius_photos/TES/MWScreenShot2.jpg

I am not using any MWSE mod nor do i have a Mod that needs MGE(That i know of), so i guess that could not be the case. Wrye Mash does not show a problem, i have used MLOX to check my load order, and i used Tes3lint to check for junk cells/fog problems. Do not get me wrong i can continue playing, but it looks extremely weird, and i do not like it.

This is my load order:

Spoiler

Masters for Alladins0000.ess:
001 Morrowind.esm
002 Tribunal.esm
003 Bloodmoon.esm
004 Texture Fix 1.8.esm
005 Bloodmoon Landscape Overhaul 1.0.esm
006 The Undead.esm
007 Morrowind Patch v1.6.5-BETA.esm
008 Better Bodies.esp
009 Slof's Better Beasts b.esp
010 Neo's Unique Creatures.esp
011 Minions of House Dagoth.esp
012 Creatures.esp
013 DreadKnight.ESP
014 TheForgottenShields - Artifacts_NG.esp
015 Art Of War Museum.esp
016 Alladin's Bottle Revamp.ESP
017 TheBlackMill11.esp
018 acsSunsiBBShirt.esp
019 TBMWalkthrough.esp
020 The Sable Dragon 1.5.esp (Version 1.5)
021 TVwofs.esp
022 correctUV Ore Replacer 1.0.esp
023 dxm_metallic_signs.esp
024 Clean Glowing Atronachs.esp
025 NEDE v1.2.esp
026 Spect Sorcery pt 1.esp
027 RAMF_Mer_for_NPCs.esp
028 AIM_MW_TB_BM_1dot0.esp
029 BirthsignsAMFun_BM.esp
030 Antares' Big Mod 5.esp
031 Vurt's Ashlands Overhaul.esp
032 Vurt's Leafy West Gash.ESP
033 ring_teleport v2.2_Dubious.esp
034 NPC LCV Schedules 03.esp (Version 03-13)
035 Madd Leveler - Base.esp
036 Madd Leveler - Cap Remover.esp
037 Madd Leveler - Quest Cap Remover.esp
038 Madd Leveler - Madd Health.esp
039 TLM - Ambient Light + Fog Update.esp
040 TLM - Light Sources (Clearer Lighting).esp
041 TLM - NPC Light Sources.esp
042 TLM - Light Sources (Lanterns).esp
043 Lights_300_V4.esp
044 Expanded Sounds.esp
045 Mashed Lists.esp

Have you installed any new mods between when it did work, and now.... Like better rain by chance?

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:30 am

Are you using MGE?

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:36 am

No i did not install new mods since and i am not using MGE.

» Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:21 pm

BUMP

» Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:27 pm

And BUMP.

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:50 am

Is there any chance you could post the [Water] and [Pixelwater] sections of your morrowind.ini file? Perhaps there is an anomaly there........

To be honest though, I've never experienced that before to be sure, but I highly doubt its caused by a mod, though I guess it could be a gfx card issue with displaying pixel shaded water, but that would mean you have one ancient piece of hardware I'd think...

» Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:15 pm

Is there any chance you could post the [Water] and [Pixelwater] sections of your morrowind.ini file? Perhaps there is an anomaly there........

Hmm could be possible, so here are my water and pixelwater settings:

Spoiler

[Water]
;Editor Alpha ranges from 0.0 (transparent) to 1.0 (opaque)
;An alpha of 1.0 shows the water as it will appear in game.
Editor Alpha=0.25
Map Alpha=0.4
World Alpha=0.75
SurfaceTextureSize=128
SurfaceTileCount=10
SurfaceFPS=12
SurfaceTexture=water
SurfaceFrameCount=32
TileTextureDivisor=4.75
RippleTexture=ripple
RippleFrameCount=4
RippleLifetime=3.0
MaxNumberRipples=75
RippleScale=0.15, 6.5
RippleRotSpeed=0.5
RippleAlphas=0.7, 0.1, 0.01
PSWaterReflectTerrain=1
PSWaterReflectUpdate=20.0
NearWaterRadius=1000
NearWaterPoints=8
NearWaterUnderwaterFreq=0.3
NearWaterUnderwaterVolume=0.9
NearWaterIndoorTolerance=512.0
NearWaterOutdoorTolerance=1024.0
NearWaterIndoorID=Water Layer
NearWaterOutdoorID=Water Layer
UnderwaterSunriseFog=.70
UnderwaterDayFog=.60
UnderwaterSunsetFog=.70
UnderwaterNightFog=1
UnderwaterIndoorFog=.50
UnderwaterColor=060,160,200
UnderwaterColorWeight=4.0

[PixelWater]
SurfaceFPS=25
TileCount=4
Resolution=256

» Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:37 pm

Maybe something with your graphics card drivers?

» Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:33 pm

Maybe something with your graphics card drivers?

I have the latest drivers for my NVidia Geforce 100, namely 258.96 WHQL. It does however not mean that it could not cause problems i agree, but then the question remains...why was the water looking good the first day and from the second day this glitch pops up.

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:39 am

Hmm could be possible, so here are my water and pixelwater settings:

Spoiler

[Water]
;Editor Alpha ranges from 0.0 (transparent) to 1.0 (opaque)
;An alpha of 1.0 shows the water as it will appear in game.
Editor Alpha=0.25
Map Alpha=0.4
World Alpha=0.75
SurfaceTextureSize=128
SurfaceTileCount=10
SurfaceFPS=12
SurfaceTexture=water
SurfaceFrameCount=32
TileTextureDivisor=4.75
RippleTexture=ripple
RippleFrameCount=4
RippleLifetime=3.0
MaxNumberRipples=75
RippleScale=0.15, 6.5
RippleRotSpeed=0.5
RippleAlphas=0.7, 0.1, 0.01
PSWaterReflectTerrain=1
PSWaterReflectUpdate=20.0
NearWaterRadius=1000
NearWaterPoints=8
NearWaterUnderwaterFreq=0.3
NearWaterUnderwaterVolume=0.9
NearWaterIndoorTolerance=512.0
NearWaterOutdoorTolerance=1024.0
NearWaterIndoorID=Water Layer
NearWaterOutdoorID=Water Layer
UnderwaterSunriseFog=.70
UnderwaterDayFog=.60
UnderwaterSunsetFog=.70
UnderwaterNightFog=1
UnderwaterIndoorFog=.50
UnderwaterColor=060,160,200
UnderwaterColorWeight=4.0

[PixelWater]
SurfaceFPS=25
TileCount=4
Resolution=256

Nothing really stands out(though I would definately change UnderwaterColor to something like 010,010,030, and UnderwaterColorWeight to 0.5 for a more realistic underwater environment like getting darker when its dark outside) that could cause the issue, perhaps it is your drivers........

Try this though, Open up your morrowind launcher, Click options, and turn off pixel shaded water, load your game, and make sure the water looks right(it won't look good, but hopefully it will at least show up as a blueish paste rather than an oil slick). Now exit your game, and open the launcher again and turn pixel shaded water back on, hopefull it will look right this time and its just an odd issue with registry values or some other windows oddity rather than a hardware issue, if it doesn't look right than I would suggest trying to roll back drivers and see if that fixes it, and if it doesn't I'm out of ideas. :X

» Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:23 pm

Nothing really stands out(though I would definately change UnderwaterColor to something like 010,010,030, and UnderwaterColorWeight to 0.5 for a more realistic underwater environment like getting darker when its dark outside) that could cause the issue,

Thank you very much for that tip, it looks indeed much more realistic underwater with those settings. :foodndrink:

perhaps it is your drivers........Try this though, Open up your morrowind launcher, Click options, and turn off pixel shaded water, load your game, and make sure the water looks right(it won't look good, but hopefully it will at least show up as a blueish paste rather than an oil slick). Now exit your game, and open the launcher again and turn pixel shaded water back on, hopefull it will look right this time and its just an odd issue with registry values or some other windows oddity rather than a hardware issue, if it doesn't look right than I would suggest trying to roll back drivers and see if that fixes it, and if it doesn't I'm out of ideas. :X

Well turning pixel shaded water of indeed makes it looks like a blueisch paste, but turning it back on does not solve it. And doing a rollback is something i could do but it is something i do not like doing. So it appears that i will keep the setting with pixel shaded water off, it looks a lot better then it did in the first post.

So it appears that what both Fenix and you mentioned is true, it is some how connected to my graphics cards drivers....oh well at least the water is now better to look at then before, thanks for all the help everyone. :thumbsup:

» Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:16 pm

This topic should be made in Tech Support section, rather than here.

Sometimes games and graphics cards/drivers suddenly start glitching without any obvious reason. Reinstall is what I would do, tho I doubt it would help you. :/
Edit: typos.

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:20 am

So it appears that i will keep the setting with pixel shaded water off, it looks a lot better then it did in the first post.

If you're going to turn off pixel shader water, you might want to check out Jarrod's http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=181 or http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2395 water texture replacers.

» Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:49 pm

Thank you very much for that tip, it looks indeed much more realistic underwater with those settings. :foodndrink:

:D No problem, in my opinion, I think the default for underwater ini settings should be like that rather than the rediculously bright settings that the game is installed with, but then again, you know what they say about opinions!

Well turning pixel shaded water of indeed makes it looks like a blueisch paste, but turning it back on does not solve it. And doing a rollback is something i could do but it is something i do not like doing. So it appears that i will keep the setting with pixel shaded water off, it looks a lot better then it did in the first post.

Well darn, I was hoping it was a mere windows bug and not an actual game or hardware fault, though the game is riddled with bugs so its not too surprising.

So it appears that what both Fenix and you mentioned is true, it is some how connected to my graphics cards drivers....oh well at least the water is now better to look at then before, thanks for all the help everyone. :thumbsup:

Well, it might just be a game bug that krept up that I just never personally experienced, though I've been using MGE so long, that I don't hardly remember what the original water looked like anyway! That being said however, you are welcome, I just wish I could have gotten the pixel shaded water back for you, because honestly, that pixel shaded water still looks pretty darn good even by today's graphical standards IMO..........there I go with my opinions again, bah! :lol:

» Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:29 pm

If you're going to turn off pixel shader water, you might want to check out Jarrod's http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=181 or http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2395 water texture replacers.

Thnak you for the links john, i just installed the realistic water textures.

Well, it might just be a game bug that krept up that I just never personally experienced, though I've been using MGE so long, that I don't hardly remember what the original water looked like anyway! That being said however, you are welcome, I just wish I could have gotten the pixel shaded water back for you, because honestly, that pixel shaded water still looks pretty darn good even by today's graphical standards IMO..........there I go with my opinions again, bah! :lol:

LoL personal opinions are important, and yeah the pixel shaded water looks great indeed, considering how old MW is.

» Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:55 am

LoL personal opinions are important, and yeah the pixel shaded water looks great indeed, considering how old MW is.

It looks better and better the higher the resolution. It's kind of amazing it aged so well.

» Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:04 pm

It looks better and better the higher the resolution. It's kind of amazing it aged so well.

It certainly is.