You dpn't accidentally blurt out an answer. That's pretty much on purpose. You confuse "accidental"with "lack of good judgement".
His teacher used him as an example to others, and as many posters have pointed out, he could have gotten much, much worse. Saying the answer to a test question out loud, during a test, can be classified as cheating. If this concept is too difficult for you to grasp, perhaps remediation is necesscary.


People make mistakes all the time. Many don't use good judgement. Some blurt out test answers. Some blurt out secrets. Some drive home drunk and kill people. Some leave the baby in the bath to answer the phone. Some tell their boss to go to hell after a bad day. Every damn one of them has to deal with the consequences of their actions. As did the OP.

You're right. The teacher should rip up his papers - perhaps all of his tests before that too. Maybe he should also be expelled from the school.



So you're saying people never ever accidentally blurt something out? It's never happened. Never.

Good to know.

You're a bright person. Don't say silly things that are completely untrue.

Um...I didn't say that.

I don't think I'd care to comment on this anymore. Some people on this thread aren't being very reasonable.

Precisely.

People are suggesting that accidentally getting excited about knowing an extra answer and blurting it out deserves getting your paper ripped up in your face in front of class and thrown in the garbage.

Can't get much more unreasonable than that.

My reply obviously turned you off since you made that comment. Which was my point. I made a completely irrational and unreasonable response. It was idiotic. That's exactly how the teacher reacted to this given situation.

Instead of coming up with a reasonable solution he abused his power and made an example that he has no patience, understanding, or ability to calm the [censored] down and look at the situation as it was: an honest mistake.

:whisper: I think she was talking about you :tops:


Anyway, yeah, OP, don't talk out loud during quiet time. Simple really.

Captain Obvious to the rescue :foodndrink:

Duh dun dunnnnnnnnnn

Blurting out an answer is a completely conscious thing to do, it shows lack of restraint, lack of forethough, and impulse control.
It is not, however, an accident.

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So this is pretty much manslaughter, school edition. It was an accident, but some perceptive student could have caught the answer and scored and extra 2 points... a 2 points that student didn't earn. Now you, OP, must make up for those 2 points... times 50.

Suffca has spoken.

He broke the rule. Call it black and white or pink and purple, I don't care. Did he cheat? No, he did not cheat. Did he give others the opportunity to cheat, even inadvertently? Yes, he did. Was that his intention? No. But, as we've discussed before, intention does not matter if you break the rule. Intention only matters when judgment is being passed on a rule-breaker by the person in authority - and obviously the teacher did not feel that the OP warranted getting a pass on his vocalization of the answer to a test question.

I can, based on the OP's description of what happened, completely understand why he feels slighted by what happened. Likewise, I can understand why the teacher did what he did. I just happen to side with the teacher in this case, because the OP broke the rule, admitted he broke the rule, etc. The teacher simply decided to not take the OP's intentions into account when he gave the OP a zero on the test.

He "Broke" the test though. He provided answers to other students. Yeah, it was by accident, but unfortunately life does not have a big Undo button.

If a teachers aide accidently leaves a copy of a test lying around, and I pick up that test and provide it to another student before the test, even if I'm not in that class, I would expect to be expelled from the school.

If I were a teachers aide, and I left a test paper answer sheet lying around where a student could find it, I'd expect to hear the words "Gross" and "Misconduct" in my immediate future.

Cheating, whether inadvertant or not is treated with zero tolerance for a reason - because accademic assesment is there to gage the candidates knowledge and understanding of a topic, and its impossible to draw a fair line anywhere else.

Accidentally blurting out an answer to a verbally given question during a test isn't the same as finding a test, then making the decision to give it to someone so they can cheat and then actually carrying out that action.

The lack of reasoning and compassion in this thread has stunned me. I literally sat here after reading Mag's reply with my mouth wide open, unsure of how to reply to such nonsense.

In this young man's case - he got overly excited about an extra question given in class. He saw the picture and he knew the answer and it just kicked out. It happens. People say things out loud all the time when they didn't mean to. It just happens. Perhaps a person is used to answer questions out loud, and suddenly it's a similar situation and instinct just kicks in. There was no malicious intent behind it.

In your case - a person finds a test sheet and knows it's against the rules to provide it to a student. They make a decision and think about it and then come to the conclusion that they're going to do it anyway. Then they not only make that decision, they have to physically carry it out. It takes time and thought to do.

They're two entirely different situations.

I can only hope the people replying in this thread that rules are rules and black and white are the two options are not the people who teach or will be teaching our children in the future. I sure as hell wouldn't want someone like this man teaching my child.

It teaches them that there's no room for mistake. It teaches them that a teacher is here to teach and to hand down punishment even when mistakes happen. It teaches them that if something happens, they can't trust their teacher and that punishment will be the only course of action taken and that they should then not come forward, even if it was an accident. It teaches them that making a scene, such as ripping up a student's test in front of everyone else and embarrassing them is the proper action to take when handling a situation.

Maybe I'm just crazy, but that's not what I want my children learning.

The entire situation was handled about as poorly as it could have been by the teacher and by the school.

I understand that what he did was against policy. Should there be some course of action taken? Certainly.

The teacher could have voided the question and found another way to give the extra credit or simply scrapped it altogether. He could have asked the student to stay after class for a minute so he could talk to him about what happened. He could have listened to the student explain what happened, and come up with a solution to the problem that didn't involve mocking him in front of the entire class to make a "point". Said student would tell other students what happened and that he was disciplined anyway, thus achieving the same effect without making a scene out of it.

The entire situation frankly sounds disgraceful and I'd really hope our teachers would be more mature and thoughtful in their handling of situations, and I would hope we'd be above it as a society.

I can also tell you with the utmost certainty that if you did the same thing to a teacher sitting in a class, it would be unacceptable. I don't know of any workplace or learning place in which it is ok to publicly mock, humiliate, or make a public example of an advlt. Any place I've worked, issues are handled behind doors with the appropriate people, and handling something as it was done in situation is means for being written up. Now I know children aren't advlts, but they should still be treated with the respect and dignity that any advlt would be. That same teacher sitting in a class of their own, making a mistake and having the same consequence would not stand for it - and the appropriate people would be brought in to deal with it. I would expect the same thing with my children. Just because they're children doesn't mean it's ok to make a statement out of them, especially when it wasn't a malicious or intentional action.

that proves it talking to yourself brings you nothing but pain, yeh I would ask for a retake. And your school is not the worst ever I have 4-5 hours of homework a night on average, and I am not exaggerating in the slightest.

Well, this isn't going to be pretty. Perhaps we should all calm down before the thread gets locked.

Such nonsense? Making sounds is generally a conscious decision. Making actual words even more so. The OP obviously didn't sit down and think out if he should say it or not - he just said it impulsively, which is, given the situation, demonstrating a lack of impulse control.

Yes, no malicious intent, true. That doesn't make what he did any less against the rules of the school and the teacher. As I've said before, intention only matters when considering the punishment the person should receive for breaking the rules.

You would think, based upon your tone, that the teacher got the OP suspended or something. All the teacher did was give the OP a zero for consciously saying the answer to a test question, which is against the rules. And I hate to break it to you, but I intend, someday, to teach at a university.

It teaches them to follow the rules. It teaches them that being at school requires tact and discipline. It teaches them that if they break a rule and they are found out there will be consequences. I've made mistakes during my classes, both in high-school and college, and have been able to talk it out with my teachers and had the luck to strengthen the relationship between myself and my teachers because of it. The OP has that same ability as well to talk it over with his teacher and figure something out with him.

Or - as in many situations demonstrates a simple mistake.



The teacher also ripped up the paper in front of the entire class and threw it out. Entirely unacceptable.



No - it teaches them not to get caught when they're going to make the decision to intentionally cheat. I've never come across anyone who was going to cheat who didn't because other people got in trouble; I've only come across people trying to figure out how they're not going to get caught.



Which include making a statement out of someone, and embarrassing them in front of a group of their peers. That's a great way to raise people - if someone makes a mistake, let's publicly mock and humiliate them.



Which is exactly what the teacher should have done in the first place. Taken him aside after class, like I said, and talked to him about it. Not ripped up his test in front of the entire class.

You knew the rules. Not only did you ruin your own chance at extra credit, you ruined your classmates chance too. Whether your teacher overreacted is a moot point; you said the answer to the test out loud. I won't suggest pursuing compensation for your mistake, but if you can assure your teacher that it will never happen again, (and if you've learned, it won't) perhaps he will offer you a second chance.

why was he showing a picture of hillary clinton anyways? that would be more along the lines of political science. what you should have done is deny it was you and then point to your friend who was talking to someone next to him earlier. with his past history it would be very easy for the teacher to blame him instead.

I had a few teachers like this. Since they're crazy, you just need to prove you're more crazy. On Monday, wait for him after school in the backseat of his car. When he gets into his car, whisper in his ear 'Hillary Clinton'. If you have any metal object stroke it across his cheek.

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