Well, I'd say you're right on Three Dog representing vanity, and then G N R representing truth... depending on interpretation ^^

Where was this?

Came across a rusty fridge upside down next to a road, just outside a ruined town in the wasteland today, sticking out from underneath I could see leg bones and 1 arm bone, the rest I assume was under the fridge. That got me wondering :blink:

Character-wise I dig Desmond and Dukov because they are simply the most honest(about who they are) characters in the game.

Besides that I love all the vaults and their various psycho-social lab purposes.

Maybe, but 106 and 108 were too similar. Both were pretty much the same vault, aside from the fact that one of the groups was all the same and kepy shouting "Gary!"

I think 108 would have been far more interesting if you could have actually talked to the clones instead of just having to fight them.

The history of the game, notes, holotapes, terminal messages.

Try this. It doesn't always work. Arrange three human kills like a Y with their heads on each others shoulders. For some reason, they don't respawn. They will stay like that for the rest of the game. Works best if they're on pavement.

Point lookout has shovels, it shouldn's bee too hard to mod.

Yeah, can you actually bury stuff with them?

It wouldn't be a big karma boost, maybe just the reverse of what you get for hacking a comp or picking a pocket. While we're on the subject, I think you should lose more when you munch on a corpse.

I re-found another room that sparks interest for me, it in the old olney powerworks. A dead end semi-hidden bathroom with a teddy bear and garden gnome "playing" checkers http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Olney_Powerworks

I believe there are also the remains of the peep that set the show up, I guess he had no choice but to stay in that room during and after the great war, until........................... :dead:

I am new to the forums been here a few times over the last 2 weeks as such i am still new to the game, really at this point i am level 17 now, in the main quest i have just released dad from the tranquility chamber. I played Oblivion for about 2 weeks and i was just not able to get into it quite like FO3, which i think is more related to the sense of progress, which means mostly XP per kill as opposed to Oblivion's level system. I will say that i have found the Wiki site, i am sure there are some who would argue i just ruined the experience, but as i blew through the game pretty quick already, (just really followed the main quest the first time) which was before i found the Wiki site, the Wiki really opens up the world giving a second timer an opportunity to at least see more of the content, and there is quite a bit here alot of which i missed my first time through.

What really interests me is the depth of detail in the world environment that goes much deeper than just locations or atmosphere, like stuff to pick up to vendor, i would hate to be the guy who had to scatter bottles, books, tin cans you know the general detritus of a long gone consumer society based on excess, around on the map. The amount of stuff to vendor is impressive to say the least, i spent one 4 hour period just cleaning a few areas of all the junk after i cleared the baddies, scorched books, pencils, flatware you name it for money, needless to say i think except for a few major home purchases am set for awhile with caps.

The morality issues the player is tasked with deciding how they want to resolve, like the kids from Little Lamplight that were captured by slavers in Paradise City. You can, go in guns blazing killing every slaver scumbag which Threedog will acknowledge on the radio (nice touch), or you can go in an buy them out right sending them back home, (there went a signifigant portion of my salvage caps). The ever present moral ambiguity the player gets to be the deciding factor on is just one of many (judging by a few replies here) points where it seems Bethesda went the extra mile to truly provide an immersive RPG experience.

I do apologize for my wall of text but there is just so many levels that this game operates on that the simple " hey man this game is just fricken awesome" does not even come close. I have to say that New Vegas will be a definate "i gotta own that" but i am glad it is going to be out in October as i am just really starting my FO3 experience i will need at least a month of serious game play just to get to the point that i would enable it anyway, even if it was out now. I bought the GOTY version about 2 weeks ago after a buddy sent me a Steam copy (could not get some mods to work on the Steam version) and only last Saturday finished Ankorage, and enabled Point Look Out, which i have not done anything with yet but discover the landing. I will need to digest Point Look Out a bit before i enable Zeta, if you follow me.

Any way great game Bethesda, nice points guys especially concerning what the characters or factions represent a few of the points concerning the factions or characters are something that had not occured to me until you guys mentioned them, definatly something i will keep an eye on as i progress through this time.

Sincerely
Asai

P.S.
Oddish..... tip number 75 awesome i will have to try that i am still giggiling like a maniac, but i want to know where i can fine tips 1 through 74.

All of the terminals and Holotapes you pick up along your way.
For example, the 911 terminals in the germantown police HQ, and the holotapes from Operation Anchorage were interesting to me. Only ones i can think off the top of my head right now

Same! I often wish you could have conversations with more people. Like the little ghoul wastelander settlement; they're all immediatly hostile. I wanna know why they're so spooked. There could have been a quest right there. XD

Those Chinese guys in Mama Dolce's would also be an interesting group to talk with. I mean, the war's been over for 200 years and both sides lost. So why can't they play nice?

I love researching weapons on the wiki. I think its fascinating to see the different weapon types and all the stats that go along with it. There's something for everyone in this game. It is truly amazing

I love paying attention to detail too.

I already knew about the Charon thing, how he was connected to the figure in Greek Mythology who carried the souls of the dead to the underworld. It also makes sense that he works in a bar called the 9th Circle, which references the 9 gates of Hell like in The Divine Comedy (I've never read it, but a friend told me about it).

I noticed that Tenpenny Tower is based on Fiddler's Green from George Romero's Land of the Dead. It was a zombie film where zombies had taken over the world, and wealthy survivors were living in a large skyscrapper much like the hotel Tenpenny Tower is. The poor lived outside in a walled-in fort and zombies were starting to become more intelligent and figured out ways to sneak in, much like the ghouls did. The zombies broke in and killed all the rich people living in the building, but the poor people survived and decided to restart once the zombies left.

The one thing I hate about the movie and the quest associated with Tenpenny Tower is that they make it look like all rich people are evil and deserve to get devoured by zombies. Despite that I loved the reference though, as I like George Romero's zombie films.

I also noticed every song on Galaxy News Radio relates to the events in the game in some way. "Way Back Home" refers to how the Lone Wanderer misses Vault 101, "Crazy He Calls Me" refers to the companion Clover and how she's "Crazy in love" with whoever owns her, and "I Don't Want to Set the World on Fire" I think is pretty self-explainig.

I also noticed that there are certain NPCs you will find in every settlement. You'll always find a town drunk (Jericho, Micheal Hawthrone, Patches), a prosttute (Nova, Trinnie, Susan Lanchester), a junkie (Leon Stahl, Paulie Centali, Snowflake), an evil businessman (Colin Moriarty, Mister Burke, Azhrikal), a protective guard or sheriff (Lucas Simms, Chief Gustavo, Chief Harkness), and a robot (Deputy Weild, Shakes, Ceberus).

You should give Charon two caps, just in case.

Kind of like the WWII Japanese soldiers that were left on the various Pacific Islands. Some of them went for years not realizing the war was over, or refusing to give-up, sometimes for decades.

There’s something to be said for tenacity!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout

http://history.howstuffworks.com/world-war-ii/japanese-holdout.htm/printable

I just replayed OA yesterday and i noticed for the first time (ya i know...) that your on some cliffs. What interested me is that there aren't any cliffs facing the city in RL its all sloping mountain and ocean, any speculation?

The setting, the story which isn't the usual 'bad guys attacking, lone manly hero must save the day - seeking redempation - generally overdone plot lines which have been done to death many times over' and the feeling that I'm truly in a wasteland where hope is a rarity and human folly is everywhere.

I enjoy Fallout 3's story, it may not be 'exciting', but I like it.

Whenever someone honorable dies, I use the flamer to give them a makeshift cremation. It's not much of a funeral, but it's a funeral nonetheless.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this was hypocritical. Man wants mate = bad; Woman wants mate = good.

I think it's because Angela was really in love with Deigo and wanted him to marry her, where Ronald only wanted to seduce Seirra just to have six with her. Ronald obviously didn't care about Seirra and only hung around Girdershade to try and trick her into having six with him.

But on the other hand Deigo really wanted to be a priest, so I don't understand why it's so horrible to convince him to stop seeing Angela so he can be something he really wants.

QUOTE: But on the other hand Deigo really wanted to be a priest, so I don't understand why it's so horrible to convince him to stop seeing Angela so he can be something he really wants.

Well, truth be told, the whole "priests have to be celibate" thing is total BS anyway. There is a passage in the New Testament that encourages people to choose to remain single, but it actually forbids the church leaders from making it mandatory. It's in I Corinthians 7, if you're interested.

And the game doesn't consider it horrible. You have three options for ending the quest.
1. Give Angela the ant pheremones. She seduces Diego, and Diego does the honorable thing and marries her. This generates positive karma. I don't agree with this, but game mechanics conform to a code of morality different from mine.
2. Force Diego to make his choice. He chooses the church, and eliminates the source of temptation. No change in karma occurs, though there are ill feelings.
3. Lie to Father Clifford about the two of them. Not sure what happens if you do this, I've heard conflicting stories. Fairly sure you get bad karma.

Well I wasn't really talking about the whole celibacy thing, just the fact that Deigo had to choose between Angela and the Church and since he worked really hard to try and be a priest, I always choose the option to make him choose the priesthood instead. At least you don't get bad karma, but like you say the fact that you get good karma for helping a woman seduce a man wanting to enter the priesthood well... that's just a little messed up.

Blah, this game's whole sense of karma is messed up. :facepalm: