MCA related errors : III

» Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:14 am

I downloaded MCA 6.1 a few days ago (and yes I read the entire thread before it was closed) and have been having some issues with minstrels and the like ever since:

Spoiler

Unable to find script 'mca_minstrels' on object '_MCA_minstrel_altmer_f'.
Unable to find script 'mca_minstrels' on object '_MCA_minstrel_bosmer_f'.
Unable to find script 'mca_minstrels' on object '_MCA_minstrel_breton_f'.
Unable to find script 'mca_minstrels' on object '_MCA_minstrel_dunmer_f'.
Unable to find script 'mca_minstrels' on object '_MCA_minstrel_imp_f'.
Unable to find script 'mca_minstrels' on object '_MCA_minstrel_nord_f'.
Unable to find script 'mca_minstrels' on object '_MCA_minstrel_redg_f'.
Unable to find script 'mca_colonists' on object '_MCA_colonist_imp_m'.
Unable to find script 'mca_colonists' on object '_MCA_colonist_imp_f'.
Unable to find script 'mca_colonists' on object '_MCA_colonist_dun_m'.
Unable to find script 'mca_colonists' on object '_MCA_colonist_dun_f'.
Item "_MCA_rogue_shield" not found on "_MCA_rogue_bosmer_f".
Item "_MCA_rogue_gauntlets" not found on "_MCA_rogue_bosmer_f".
Item "_MCA_rogue_shield" not found on "_MCA_rogue_bosmer_m".
Item "_MCA_rogue_gauntlets" not found on "_MCA_rogue_bosmer_m".
Item "_MCA_rogue_shield" not found on "_MCA_rogue_breton_f".
Item "_MCA_rogue_gauntlets" not found on "_MCA_rogue_breton_f".
Item "_MCA_rogue_shield" not found on "_MCA_rogue_breton_m".
Item "_MCA_rogue_gauntlets" not found on "_MCA_rogue_breton_m".
Item "_MCA_rogue_shield" not found on "_MCA_rogue_dunmer_f".
Item "_MCA_rogue_gauntlets" not found on "_MCA_rogue_dunmer_f".
Item "_MCA_rogue_shield" not found on "_MCA_rogue_dunmer_m".
Item "_MCA_rogue_gauntlets" not found on "_MCA_rogue_dunmer_m".
Item "_MCA_rogue_shield" not found on "_MCA_rogue_imperial_f".
Item "_MCA_rogue_gauntlets" not found on "_MCA_rogue_imperial_f".
Item "_MCA_rogue_shield" not found on "_MCA_rogue_imperial_m".
Item "_MCA_rogue_gauntlets" not found on "_MCA_rogue_imperial_m".
Item "_MCA_wigs_imperial_m_noleaves" not found on "_MCA_rogue_imperial_m".
Item "_MCA_rogue_shield" not found on "_MCA_rogue_khajiit_f".
Item "_MCA_rogue_helmet_open" not found on "_MCA_rogue_khajiit_f".
Item "_MCA_rogue_gauntlets" not found on "_MCA_rogue_khajiit_f".
Item "_MCA_rogue_shield" not found on "_MCA_rogue_khajiit_m".
Item "_MCA_rogue_helmet_open" not found on "_MCA_rogue_khajiit_m".
Item "_MCA_rogue_gauntlets" not found on "_MCA_rogue_khajiit_m".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_mage_altmer_f".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_mage_altmer_m".
Item "_MCA_rogue_shield" not found on "_MCA_rogue_redguard_f".
Item "_MCA_rogue_gauntlets" not found on "_MCA_rogue_redguard_f".
Item "_MCA_rogue_shield" not found on "_MCA_rogue_redguard_m".
Item "_MCA_rogue_gauntlets" not found on "_MCA_rogue_redguard_m".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_commoner_alt_f".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_commoner_alt_m".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_extravagant" not found on "_MCA_noble_imp_m2".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_telvanni_altmer_f".
Item "_MCA_telvanni_robe" not found on "_MCA_telvanni_altmer_f".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_telvanni_altmer_m".
Item "_MCA_telvanni_robe" not found on "_MCA_telvanni_altmer_m".
Item "_MCA_telvanni_robe" not found on "_MCA_telvanni_bosmer_f".
Item "_MCA_telvanni_robe" not found on "_MCA_telvanni_bosmer_m".
Item "_MCA_telvanni_robe" not found on "_MCA_telvanni_breton_m".
Item "_MCA_telvanni_robe" not found on "_MCA_telvanni_breton_f".
Item "_MCA_telvanni_robe" not found on "_MCA_telvanni_dunmer_m".
Item "_MCA_telvanni_robe" not found on "_MCA_telvanni_dunmer_f".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_merchant_altmer_m".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_merchant_altmer_f".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_bard_altmer_m".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_minstrel_altmer_m".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_bard_altmer_f".
Item "_MCA_minstrel_skirt" not found on "_MCA_minstrel_altmer_f".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_minstrel_altmer_f".
Item "_MCA_minstrel_skirt" not found on "_MCA_minstrel_bosmer_f".
Item "_MCA_minstrel_skirt" not found on "_MCA_minstrel_breton_f".
Item "_MCA_minstrel_skirt" not found on "_MCA_minstrel_dunmer_f".
Item "_MCA_minstrel_skirt" not found on "_MCA_minstrel_imp_f".
Item "_MCA_minstrel_skirt" not found on "_MCA_minstrel_nord_f".
Item "_MCA_minstrel_skirt" not found on "_MCA_minstrel_redg_f".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_extravagant" not found on "_MCA_noble_dunmer_m2".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_extravagant" not found on "_MCA_noble_imp_f2".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_extravagant" not found on "_MCA_noble_dunmer_f2".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_expensive" not found on "_MCA_noble_dunmer_f4".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_expensive" not found on "_MCA_noble_dunmer_m4".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_expensive" not found on "_MCA_noble_imp_f4".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_extravagant" not found on "_MCA_noble_breton_f2".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_expensive" not found on "_MCA_noble_breton_f4".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_noble_altmer_m".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_extravagant" not found on "_MCA_noble_nord_f2".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_expensive" not found on "_MCA_noble_nord_f4".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_extravagant" not found on "_MCA_noble_redguard_f2".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_expensive" not found on "_MCA_noble_redguard_f4".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_extravagant" not found on "_MCA_noble_bosmer_f2".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_expensive" not found on "_MCA_noble_bosmer_f4".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_extravagant" not found on "_MCA_noble_altmer_f2".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_noble_altmer_f2".
Item "_MCA_noble_gloves_expensive" not found on "_MCA_noble_altmer_f4".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_noble_altmer_f4".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_noble_altmer_f5".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_noble_altmer_f3".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_noble_altmer_f6".
Item "_MCA_masks_altmer" not found on "_MCA_noble_altmer_f1".

I tried to get some advice in the release thread but it was like grand central station and my query got lost in the shuffle. Does anyone know what might be causing these errors? They don't much affect gameplay (except for the occassional nvde minstrel) but they pop up before my main menu even loads. I've done everything I can think of to fix it:

- I've re-installed the mod, the old version, and the update version in various combinations
- I've tinkered endlessly in Wrye Mash, TEStool, mlox, etc.
- I have definitely and correctly installed Westly's Master Headpack (and anyway you can see from the warnings it doesn't have to do with that)

I have a hunch this has something to do with incorrectly removing MCA 5.2 but I really don't know what I've done wrong and even if I did I wouldn't know how to fix it.

So, I appeal to you kind folks. Anyone have an idea what this is about?

» Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:51 pm

I have a hunch this has something to do with incorrectly removing MCA 5.2 but I really don't know what I've done wrong and even if I did I wouldn't know how to fix it.

Yes, it appears that the errors are concerning missing IDs for things that were in 5.2, but not 6.X. There are references to these missing things in your savegame, so if you start a new game, it should not show these errors, and will confirm this diagnosis.

You can try to fix your savegame or start a new game. Fixing it might be complicated, since it's a complex mod and much has changed. You could try to use Wrye Mash to clean out the old MCA first. just by removing MCA, then doing a "Repair All" on the save, then loading 6.1. And if there are remaining warnings about references to old IDs, you could try using a custom "remover" in Mash to get rid of them.

» Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:35 am

I'll give it a try. I figured this was the problem but didn't know how to go about solving it. Thanks!

» Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:16 am

Okay I tried the things above but here's the problem: the errors are occurring before the main menu so starting a new game doesn't do anything. Reinstalling MCA didn't work either but I didn't really expect it to since I'd tried it several times. I realllly hope I don't have to reinstall Morrowind....

» Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:49 am

Okay I tried the things above but here's the problem: the errors are occurring before the main menu so starting a new game doesn't do anything. Reinstalling MCA didn't work either but I didn't really expect it to since I'd tried it several times. I realllly hope I don't have to reinstall Morrowind....

Can you post your load order?

» Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:15 am

Here 'tis:

Spoiler

_001_ Morrowind.esm
_002_ Tribunal.esm
_003_ Bloodmoon.esm
_004_ Morrowind Patch v1.6.4.esm
_005_ Hilgya the Seamstress.esm
_006_ MCA.esm
_007_ Fields of Kummu Expanded by Moon-Mover.esp
_008_ LadyD_Reduced_Commentary.esp
_009_ adv_npcs_v1.1.esp
_010_ Flee AI Tweaks.esp
_011_ Illuminated Order v1.0.esp
_012_ Illuminated Order v1.0 - Bloodmoon Compatibility Extras.esp
_013_ LCV Schedule Markers.esp
_014_ Animal Behaviour.esp
_015_ Hair_Pack_IV_Lora_Redone.esp
_016_ Rhedds_WE_F_expanded.esp
_017_ adamantiumarmor.esp
_018_ Vivec Expansion 2.0.esp
_019_ werewolfrealism-moononly.esp
_020_ Better Bodies.esp
_021_ World_Of_Faces.esp
_022_ Nymeria's Monthly Respawn.esp
_023_ The regulars - Sitting NPC's v2.02.esp
_024_ Clean Better Caldera.esp
_025_ House of Earthly Delights, Harem Style.esp
_026_ Nymeria's Faster Walk.esp
_027_ Windows Glow.esp
_028_ Wrye Patches A.esp
_029_ Wrye Patches B.esp
_030_ Wrye Patches C.esp
_031_ Wrye Patches G.esp
_032_ Wrye Patches M.esp
_033_ Thirsk Expanded.esp
_034_ Wrye Patches W.esp
_035_ Acheron's Camping Gear 2.esp
_036_ ACG2 NOM Compatible.esp
_037_ Ald Redaynia Extended.esp
_038_ Vos Plantation.esp
_039_ BB_Clothiers_of_Vvardenfell_v1.1.esp
_040_ Go To Jail 3.5 - T B - MCA - NOM.esp
_041_ IceNioLivRobeReplacerALL.esp
_042_ NPC LCV Schedules 03.esp
_043_ KS_Julan_Ashlander Companion_1.3.esp
_044_ The Jacket.esp
_045_ OT_Vivec Beta 0.6b.esp
_046_ Hold it replacer.esp
_047_ LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_10.esp
_048_ Better Clothes_v1.1.esp
_049_ LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp
_050_ LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_20.esp
_051_ Antares' Big Mod 5.esp
_052_ Vos Expansion.ESP
_053_ LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp
_054_ New Seyda Neen 1.5 C.esp
_055_ Westly's Master Headpack X.esp
_056_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp
_057_ Scissors & Thimbles.esp
_058_ Scissors & Thimbles II.esp
_059_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20_suppl.esp
_060_ Scissors & Thimbles Merge.esp
_061_ LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_22.esp
_062_ LGNPC_TelMora_v1_20.esp
_063_ Scissors & Thimbles III.esp
_064_ LGNPC_Khuul_v2_10.esp
_065_ LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_10.esp
_066_ LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_50.esp
_067_ Hold it - MCA addon.esp
_068_ victorian lace dress.esp
_069_ Immersive Chargen.esp
_070_ Hilgya the Seamstress Expansion 1.esp
_071_ Animated Morrowind 1.0.esp
_072_ MDP - Ebonheart.ESP
_073_ MDP - Maar Gan.ESP
_074_ MDP - Khuul.ESP
_075_ MDP - Sadrith Mora.ESP
_076_ MDP - Gnaar Mok.ESP
_077_ MDP - Fort Buckmoth.ESP
_078_ New Gnisis 1.2.ESP
_079_ Antares' Big Mod 5 - MCA 6 - patch.esp
_080_ MCA - Guards Patch.ESP
_081_ MCA - COV Addon.esp
_082_ NOM 2.13.esp
_083_ Hold it - NOM addon.esp
_084_ Mashed Lists.esp

» Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:15 am

If the errors are happening before you load it sounds to me like the game is getting information from another plugin that wasn't updated. Make sure you remove all your MCA addons and remove/update your mashed list and merged objects if you have it. Seriously if you have removed every single plugin right and get errors before the main menu something is weird. Your load order still shows stuff there though.

So:

1. Uncheck/delete all MCA plugins.
2. Delete Mashed list and merged objects if you have it.
3. Right click above the load list in the save, click sync to load (purple save now)
4. Repair all
5. Maybe even load the save, and save again to let MCP do it's magic on it too.
6. Instill 6.1 properly, check it in your load order.
8. Finalize your load order
9. Redo Mashed Lists! and or merged objects
10. Sync to load again (purple save here)
11. Repair all
12. Load into game and save again to be safe
13. Quit out of morrowind one final time in order make a clean load on the save, check to see that save is purple just for fun while at your OS, and then return to Morrowind to load the final save.

Try all that. Remember any errors before the main menu suggest old crap in one of your plugins, MCA addons, merged objects, mashed lists etc or that you that you failed to install something properly.

» Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:28 am

Here 'tis:

Spoiler

_001_ Morrowind.esm
_002_ Tribunal.esm
_003_ Bloodmoon.esm
_004_ Morrowind Patch v1.6.4.esm
_005_ Hilgya the Seamstress.esm
_006_ MCA.esm
_007_ Fields of Kummu Expanded by Moon-Mover.esp
_008_ LadyD_Reduced_Commentary.esp
_009_ adv_npcs_v1.1.esp
_010_ Flee AI Tweaks.esp
_011_ Illuminated Order v1.0.esp
_012_ Illuminated Order v1.0 - Bloodmoon Compatibility Extras.esp
_013_ LCV Schedule Markers.esp
_014_ Animal Behaviour.esp
_015_ Hair_Pack_IV_Lora_Redone.esp
_016_ Rhedds_WE_F_expanded.esp
_017_ adamantiumarmor.esp
_018_ Vivec Expansion 2.0.esp
_019_ werewolfrealism-moononly.esp
_020_ Better Bodies.esp
_021_ World_Of_Faces.esp
_022_ Nymeria's Monthly Respawn.esp
_023_ The regulars - Sitting NPC's v2.02.esp
_024_ Clean Better Caldera.esp
_025_ House of Earthly Delights, Harem Style.esp
_026_ Nymeria's Faster Walk.esp
_027_ Windows Glow.esp
_028_ Wrye Patches A.esp
_029_ Wrye Patches B.esp
_030_ Wrye Patches C.esp
_031_ Wrye Patches G.esp
_032_ Wrye Patches M.esp
_033_ Thirsk Expanded.esp
_034_ Wrye Patches W.esp
_035_ Acheron's Camping Gear 2.esp
_036_ ACG2 NOM Compatible.esp
_037_ Ald Redaynia Extended.esp
_038_ Vos Plantation.esp
_039_ BB_Clothiers_of_Vvardenfell_v1.1.esp
_040_ Go To Jail 3.5 - T B - MCA - NOM.esp
_041_ IceNioLivRobeReplacerALL.esp
_042_ NPC LCV Schedules 03.esp
_043_ KS_Julan_Ashlander Companion_1.3.esp
_044_ The Jacket.esp
_045_ OT_Vivec Beta 0.6b.esp
_046_ Hold it replacer.esp
_047_ LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_10.esp
_048_ Better Clothes_v1.1.esp
_049_ LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp
_050_ LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_20.esp
_051_ Antares' Big Mod 5.esp
_052_ Vos Expansion.ESP
_053_ LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp
_054_ New Seyda Neen 1.5 C.esp
_055_ Westly's Master Headpack X.esp
_056_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp
_057_ Scissors & Thimbles.esp
_058_ Scissors & Thimbles II.esp
_059_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20_suppl.esp
_060_ Scissors & Thimbles Merge.esp
_061_ LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_22.esp
_062_ LGNPC_TelMora_v1_20.esp
_063_ Scissors & Thimbles III.esp
_064_ LGNPC_Khuul_v2_10.esp
_065_ LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_10.esp
_066_ LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_50.esp
_067_ Hold it - MCA addon.esp
_068_ victorian lace dress.esp
_069_ Immersive Chargen.esp
_070_ Hilgya the Seamstress Expansion 1.esp
_071_ Animated Morrowind 1.0.esp
_072_ MDP - Ebonheart.ESP
_073_ MDP - Maar Gan.ESP
_074_ MDP - Khuul.ESP
_075_ MDP - Sadrith Mora.ESP
_076_ MDP - Gnaar Mok.ESP
_077_ MDP - Fort Buckmoth.ESP
_078_ New Gnisis 1.2.ESP
_079_ Antares' Big Mod 5 - MCA 6 - patch.esp
_080_ MCA - Guards Patch.ESP
_081_ MCA - COV Addon.esp
_082_ NOM 2.13.esp
_083_ Hold it - NOM addon.esp
_084_ Mashed Lists.esp

I don't see a Merged_Objects.esp file. Is that right?

Raed

» Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:08 am

If the errors are happening before you load it sounds to me like the game is getting information from another plugin that wasn't updated. Make sure you remove all your MCA addons and remove/update your mashed list and merged objects if you have it. Seriously if you have removed every single plugin right and get errors before the main menu something is weird. Your load order still shows stuff there though.

So:

1. Uncheck/delete all MCA plugins.
2. Delete Mashed list and merged objects if you have it.
3. Right click above the load list in the save, click sync to load (purple save now)
4. Repair all
5. Maybe even load the save, and save again to let MCP do it's magic on it too.
6. Instill 6.1 properly, check it in your load order.
8. Finalize your load order
9. Redo Mashed Lists! and or merged objects
10. Sync to load again (purple save here)
11. Repair all
12. Load into game and save again to be safe
13. Quit out of morrowind one final time in order make a clean load on the save, check to see that save is purple just for fun while at your OS, and then return to Morrowind to load the final save.

Try all that. Remember any errors before the main menu suggest old crap in one of your plugins, MCA addons, merged objects, mashed lists etc or that you that you failed to install something properly.

This fixed it! Thanks for the step-by-step. It was a huge help.