Hello

In the book "Knights of the Nine" by Karoline of Solitude, there is reference to "Sir Amiel (leading) them against the Wyrm of Elynglenn to recover the Cuirass of the Crusader, which had not been seen since the First Era."

Unless I'm being dense, there is no other info on the Wyrm of Elenglynn in the Imperial Library. So I turn to you, lore masters: who or what was this wyrm? A dragon or a person with a fancy title? And where is Elenglynn?

Thanks

High Rock by the sound of Elynglenn and probebly something that looks like a Dragon.

I think it is http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b037_lysirius.shtml based on nothing more then the books origins from Daggerfall, it being the only creature that goes by the name strictly by the name Wyrm and the Knightly taste of both stories. Which frankly said isn't allot but there aren't that many known Dragons north of the Jeralls either.

Well I am no lore master but I would assume that since it is "wyrm" and not "worm" that it is, indeed a dragon, or something close to it. You are right, there is nothing else in lore about the Wyrm and I'm assuming that there may never be. I believe it was just thought up to provide backround for The Knights of the Nine.

Thanks fellas. The Story of Lysirius is a good read. I read that when doing the search for "wyrm" in the library. So Proweler, I think yours is good explanation and is also very interesting because it would prove the existence of Lysirius' wyrm beyond being just a myth. We know that this Wyrm of Elelnglynn existed because we have two independent references form the book KotN and from the Prophet of Anvil. So while it may be just backgrond story, it may be a fairly interesting one.

So when in history would Lysirius' wyrm come to posses the Cuirass of Pelinal? Before or after The Story of Lysirius?

He probebly had it for five minutes. Artifacts are delivered on a just-in-time basis to which ever hero has need of one. How else do you think famous artifacts show up so often?

Yeah, that's an uncanny trait of artifacts. However, it must have been referenced in lore for Sir Amiel and co to go looking for the wyrm?

No one has pointed out that Elenglynn is a Great Forest Ayleid ruin yet, or everyone knows?

He read the Primera guide?

There is nothing on the books though. It's a religious artifact though so he might have had a vision or spoken with a prophet. Nobody might have known the Wyrm had it until he recovered it.



No, and I didn't.

Go away. I'm having fun here.

Now slightly more serous. Then the Armor has been there ever since Pelinal was cut in eight and spread out over Cyrodiil.

Well spotted Paws! Could it be possible that a dragon once laired in the ayleid ruin? I hope not, I'd like to think dragons have better taste.

Very true, Proweler.

Elenglynn is a two-level ruin full of conjurors that looked like it was once fortified. Barring entrances and exits, IIRC there is a lot of room inside. OOO turns it into a complete [censored].

Actually, this book joins the Song of Pelinal in referencing lots of old ruins. The Song distorts their names so they're just recognizeable. Ceya-Tar, Vatache, Sard, etc.

With Daedric Artifacts, they're simply reclaimed. Heck, Dagon had a device that would reclaim the dagger and put it in that little cage if you uttered the magic words.

And with the Helm of Oreyn Bearclaw, it's even explained how it ended up in Cyrodiil.

Paw-Prints: I probebly should pay more attention to that, but they're all alike so it's not really important. Know any other books that reference Ayleid ruins though? I need to stick a note about that in those books.

CP: Lighten up. No need to point out examples. I'm just making fun of one of http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AWizardDidItto explain how the all same artifacts end up in all the different games.

I know it's probably a fluke, but I explored Sardavar Leed and Vahtacen as research for that fan fic posted on TIL and found plenty of fodder. Sard in particular seemed to match its role in the Song of Pelinal.

It's mostly the Song that has the references. Plus Glories and laments, of course.

There's Ninendava, Vindasel, Sedor, Ceyatatar, and Sancre Tor. (Which suggests that the hill was there beforehand)
Narlemae and Celediil no longer exist. as they were un-mapped by Pelinal.

I'd go with Wyrm being a type of dragon from reading that story
That website was made by someone with too much time on their hands and not enough to think about. It's fun.

Well.. Both http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Elenglynn and my CS says it is a one-level ruin with Necromancers

Anyway, if it's the same dragon, then it would also give some (a little) credability to the (more or less stupid) "cliffracers drove them out" excuse, as the Lysirius story seems to take place somewhere in Morrowind.

I'm a little shocked that many of the Ayleid ruins referenced in the song can be explored. Paws, you have the eyes of a jaguar! Give me the link to the fan fiction you mentioned.

So, after re-reading the song, if I were to go to Ninendava, would I see a "goat-faced alter"? And to see first-hand the "gut gardens" of Sercen would be, um, an experience, to say the least!

So I think it's safe to say that the Wyrm of Elenglynn did indeed inhabit the named ayleid ruin. I would also like to think that the wyrm is the same as the one from the stor of Lysirius.

:P No goat-faced altars, as the text came after the interior design. The discrepancy isn't as large as that between Ceyatatar of the game and of Glories and Laments, but it's there. I only found inspiration because I was searching for it, which is the only way Oblivion manages to be compelling. /snipe

But the fan fic isn't finished yet. Adventurous Putty is supposed to be reading the draft over.

Perhaps it's a good thing that the interior design came first. Are we quite ready for an insight into the Ayleid mind in the form of "flesh sculpture"? As for your story, be sure to let me know when it's been proof read and ready for the public eye!

And thanks all for helping me with my Wyrm problem