Meridia

Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:01 am

If Meridia's Sphere is infinite energy, then isn't she Anuic? So why is she a Daedra?

(She was kicked out for having a weird accent ;))
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:05 am

You're going to have the entirity of this forum disagreeing with you on that.
"Daedra" are thoses spirits who dwell within Oblivion, either within themselves (in the case of the Princes), or within a prince (in the case of lesser Daedra) (much the same as Mortal spirits dwell within the Plane of Nirn, and posibly the other Plane(t)s in Mundus). Those spirits who contributed to nothing stayed locked up in Aetherius and the Void, and are not Daedra or Aedra.

And you're talking about Creation wrong, they Aedra did not change themselves, they gave parts of themselves for creation (which is talked about as the 'true' creation). The Daedra changed themselves, making their spheres within them.

The Daedra are the same now as they were when they formed from Anu/Padhomay, the Aedra are different as they gave of themselves to form the Earth Bones. By creating their spheres within themselves, the Daedra maintained their origional state
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:48 am

The Daedra are the same now as they were when they formed from Anu/Padhomay, the Aedra are different as they gave of themselves to form the Earth Bones. By creating their spheres within themselves, the Daedra maintained their origional state


The Daedra changed themselves, and so consequencely they are no longer in their oringinal state. What they didn't do was give an entire part of themselves to create something, like the Aedra did. The spirits who did not become Aedric or Daedric, did not change themselves, or give parts of themselves to create/change anything, and remained as they were.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:18 am

And lets not forget that Trinimac was supposedly also turned into a Daedric Prince.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:41 am

The Daedra changed themselves, and so consequencely they are no longer in their oringinal state. What they didn't do was give an entire part of themselves to create something, like the Aedra did. The spirits who did not become Aedric or Daedric, did not change themselves, or give parts of themselves to create/change anything, and remained as they were.


....What?????

Dude, this is how it goes: sans the "I'm-Anuic-but-Daedric" BS, all the Daedra are are the et'Ada who didn't give pieces of themselves to creation; in consideration to their spheres, they technically couldn't. The "spirits who did not become Aedric or Daedric" are either Y'ffre or the Star Orphans, one of which Mnemoli is.

Just ignore the Aedra-Daedra crap, at least in this aspect; the way I understand it, Dagon himself may not even have Padomaic origin, according to certain texts, the Alduggada (sp?) being one of these (if not the only one, if I understand right).

Dude, I think this has been overtalked so much I'M getting confused... I might even forget what the hell et'Ada are, if this continues lol...
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:59 am

Trinimac should thank Boethiah for freeing him, then. Whereas Akatosh and the other Aedra are too incapacitated to have full free will, much less create a realm, he was chomped into a whole new being, and gained a new identity even if it's one of horrible shame, with enough autonomy to make a realm of himself. . Nu-mantia by bowel movement, I call it.
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Post » Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:59 pm

I think this thread is getting rather sidetracked, the oringinal question was about Meridia and why she seems Anuic rather than Padomaic, and it's been answered.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:29 am

Isn't there a third group, those who initially participated in creation, but later fled, who are separate from both Aedra and Daedra?
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:47 am

Isn't there a third group, those who initially participated in creation, but later fled, who are separate from both Aedra and Daedra?

Yes. They are Magnus and the Et'da who formed the various stars, but I'm not sure there's a specific title for this group. Since Meridia is an offspring of Magnus she might have belonged to this group at one time, but he definitely gave her the boot for consorting with illicit colors, so she's full daedra now, with her own plane on Oblivion.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:45 am

...aren't those the Star Orphans...which I already mentioned??

I might be wrong though...
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:11 am

The third group is the Magna Ge (or Magna'Ge in some cases, if I remember correctly. Magna Ge is better anyway).

And just to make things clear, they did not "form" (as in becoming them) the stars, they made them as they blew holes from between Oblivion and Aetherius.
But perhaps that is what you ment ;)

...aren't those the Star Orphans...which I already mentioned??

I might be wrong though...

This is what MK has to say on the matter in http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/vehk_teaching.shtml:
...according to the texts, Mnemoli is a wayward child of ANU, one of a pantheon of forgotten deities known as the ‘Star Orphans'... a tribe of gods and goddesses that apparently felt abandoned when the Sun Withdrew from the World-Making. Like many of her siblings, Mnemoli is both confused and delighted with the Aurbis, and explores its five quarters as best she can without the help and regulation of worship, which are not needed (by which I mean, always there) during breakings of the sideways wheel...

It seems to me the "Star Orphans" did not follow Magnus, but apparanlty they would have wanted to/did not understand why he left.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:15 am

Yes. They are Magnus and the Et'da who formed the various stars, but I'm not sure there's a specific title for this group. Since Meridia is an offspring of Magnus she might have belonged to this group at one time, but he definitely gave her the boot for consorting with illicit colors, so she's full daedra now, with her own plane on Oblivion.


I still don't understand what these "illicit colors" are supposed to be. Microwaves?
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:43 am

I still don't understand what these "illicit colors" are supposed to be. Microwaves?

Lorkhan.
Or Creation.
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