Encalve In Fallout 4?

Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:56 am

I hope not. At least if Bethesda makes it. If Obsidian made it, sure.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:18 pm

The "unknown" as you put it doesn't exist in the setting until it's written. That's the flaw in your argument.


No, that's the point. If it isn't explicitly negatated by known canon, then it IS possible, because it isn't written yet.

If i told you that Columbus isn't the capitol of Nevada, California or South Carolina, and you took that to be true (canon), then you have no idea where Columbus is, but you could argue taht it's somewhere. According to canon, Columbus could be anywhere, capitol or not, except as capitol of the three states mentioned, because canon DOES NOT state otherwise. Compare that to canon stating that Columbus is the capitol of Ohio, in which case canon is clear. Just because something is not mentioned in canon doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and it would be impossible to logically argue that something not disallowed explicitly in canon can not exist.

Now, it's my understanding that Fallout canon does not explicitly disallow additional Enclave bases outside of the Fallout 2 area. Therefore, Enclave bases outside the Fallout 2 are ARE POSSIBLE, because canon does not disallow such bases.

I'm done with this now. Again, I'd rather see a different antagonist, but Enclave would suit me OK.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:28 pm

No, that's the point. If it isn't explicitly negatated by known canon, then it IS possible, because it isn't written yet.

If i told you that Columbus isn't the capitol of Nevada, California or South Carolina, and you took that to be true (canon), then you have no idea where Columbus is, but you could argue taht it's somewhere. According to canon, Columbus could be anywhere, capitol or not, except as capitol of the three states mentioned, because canon DOES NOT state otherwise. Compare that to canon stating that Columbus is the capitol of Ohio, in which case canon is clear. Just because something is not mentioned in canon doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and it would be impossible to logically argue that something not disallowed explicitly in canon can not exist.

Now, it's my understanding that Fallout canon does not explicitly disallow additional Enclave bases outside of the Fallout 2 area. Therefore, Enclave bases outside the Fallout 2 are ARE POSSIBLE, because canon does not disallow such bases.

I'm done with this now. Again, I'd rather see a different antagonist, but Enclave would suit me OK.


Check out the "Situation Map" on the Poseidon Oil Rig, should give you an idea of where current operations might be ongoing.
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Post » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:04 am

No, that's the point. If it isn't explicitly negatated by known canon, then it IS possible, because it isn't written yet.

If i told you that Columbus isn't the capitol of Nevada, California or South Carolina, and you took that to be true (canon), then you have no idea where Columbus is, but you could argue taht it's somewhere. According to canon, Columbus could be anywhere, capitol or not, except as capitol of the three states mentioned, because canon DOES NOT state otherwise. Compare that to canon stating that Columbus is the capitol of Ohio, in which case canon is clear. Just because something is not mentioned in canon doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and it would be impossible to logically argue that something not disallowed explicitly in canon can not exist.

Now, it's my understanding that Fallout canon does not explicitly disallow additional Enclave bases outside of the Fallout 2 area. Therefore, Enclave bases outside the Fallout 2 are ARE POSSIBLE, because canon does not disallow such bases.

I'm done with this now. Again, I'd rather see a different antagonist, but Enclave would suit me OK.


What's this about a canon in Fallout?
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Post » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:23 am

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Ausir/Banned_from_Bethesda_forum


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Post » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:24 am

As an option? Sure.
Will I? Hell no.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:07 pm

What's this about a canon in Fallout?



Hilarious!
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:06 pm

Check out the "Situation Map" on the Poseidon Oil Rig, should give you an idea of where current operations might be ongoing.


Given what Richardson says about Oil Rig and Navarro being the only major bases, I doubt this map has anything to do with current Enclave operations. Could just as well be a pre-war map showing the resource wars.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:26 pm

YES!!!!!! I'd also like to see Mr. Autumn there (I like him sooo much)) And this funny flying robots. I don't believe that such powerful organization like the Enclave could be so easily destroyed. Maybe, someone can help them to restore(a place for adding new characters)...

Anyway, even if the Company decides to finish this story line, mod-makers will improve the picture)

I wanted to play for the Enclave in F3, and it was impossible. I downloaded some useful modes, but there was no real serious quests and missions. It's a big minus of the game to my mind (I know many people thinking that way).
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:28 pm

would love too, it could have been better instead of using stimpak, the player could mix all the food from the wasteland and cook them with fire or gas loaded to to the Oven and become the Health Food.

and also, i want the player could taking shower to give impression of charisma and increase Speach skill.

perhaps, next time it would not be any Vault at all, i prefer i was born underground, and climb up to search or manage our town to be better place to live such as, increase the security, food gathering, reduce the water radiation, better power for the town, than just to find my father.
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Post » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:45 am

No.

Lets put aside the fact for a moment that to join the Enclave you have to born into it; I don't think the player should be able to join them because I think they shouldn't be in the game at all. The Enclave has already been way too prominent in 2 games already and should not appear in Fallout 4 nor New Vegas.

There should be completely new different villain factions and I don't really care if the player can join these one way or the other. Still, no more Enclave they're dead and buried; let new villains be featured.

You are far too wrong lol.. its pathetic OMG THE ENCLAVE IN 2 GAMES THE BOS ARE IN EVERY SINGLE GAME SERIOUSLY.... and both times the enclave appear you have to kill them you have no choice.. rediculous
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Post » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:33 am

no, I know they've only been in 2 games but I've had enough of those guys.
and while their at it they should also take out the BoS there not even very much better.
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Post » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:35 am

lol the BOS arent better by any means.. they are dull in every single game and when FO3 came out they just went straight up gay.. and i understood FO2 why you didnt get a choice there but FO3 pointless.. the choices were made for me no matter what i did.. I did everything for the Enclave put the F.E.V in the water and nothing happened.. bought broken steel still nothing and somehow they just magicaly found where raven rock was.. oh not to mention at the very end i called the orbital strike on this citadel and i got take a guess! NOTHING... honestly thats just pathetic... The best thing for them to do in my opinion is put a load more factions in the game with more choices That You actually make therefor anyone can join the faction they want instead of always no matter what being sided with the lame ass BOS..
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:08 pm

Bethesda made it cool, but irrational.

Almost every guy in the BoS has a bad experience with Lyons and the Outcasts are the weakest ???
Impossible.

The Enclave is the "perfect" bad-ass organisation.
I'd would like the idea of The Western BoS radiod by the Outcast, Eastern BoS stepping over to the Outcasts.
And Lyons left with a few loyal do-gooders.

Not nice, but dark action that would fit perfectly to the BoS. Because it was supposed to be a Brotherhood with tech as their religion ???

Again, no offense to Bethesda (maybe.......... but) that's the action I'd like to see.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:51 pm

lol the BOS arent better by any means.. they are dull in every single game and when FO3 came out they just went straight up gay.. and i understood FO2 why you didnt get a choice there but FO3 pointless.. the choices were made for me no matter what i did.. I did everything for the Enclave put the F.E.V in the water and nothing happened.. bought broken steel still nothing and somehow they just magicaly found where raven rock was.. oh not to mention at the very end i called the orbital strike on this citadel and i got take a guess! NOTHING... honestly thats just pathetic... The best thing for them to do in my opinion is put a load more factions in the game with more choices That You actually make therefor anyone can join the faction they want instead of always no matter what being sided with the lame ass BOS..


BOs isn't what it needs to be.
They need to be bad-ass doing everything to reach their goals. (I loved the Gary 23 in The outpost)

BOS out of F4.
Enclave out of F4.

GET INSPIRATION GUYS, THEY CREATED FALLOUT FROM SCRATCH !!!

At least 3 new factions aren't too much luxury.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:47 pm

maybe with leess numbers, and with a much more complex plot, maybe have a smaller faction within the enclave working to achieve their own goals, or working as separate agents for the Enclave, they should have much less numbers, but be much more organised to compensate.

if the options there, and they dont limit the origins of the main character, then it would be cool to be Enclave, the story could get crazy, but hey.
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Post » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:52 am

i think wat he is saying is not join the enclave itself but the badguys..and i feel that...cause it would have been fun to jump ships but i think with enclave it's a mute point as no 1 can join but i get what u mean about choosing which faction u wanna side with..also i'd like to create my own faction..
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