I know he's broken my main point was that the NCR have no clue how to use Archimedes II to bring down ultra beams of death beside's it can't take them that long to repair prime they studied him inside out they jusy need to get the right bits is all, but i just really love his anti communist slurs lol "Communism is the very definition of failure!"

i wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers lol all i was sying that they don't know how to use it i thought we where talking about a scenario without player intervention? yes the laser beam of death from the sky could destroy liberty prime if they knew how to use it but they don't. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything i'll be joining the NCR too (SCREW YOU CEASER'S LEGION) i was just trying to think logically, then again that never worked out to well for me lol oh crap double post fail

Prime is done. I destroyed that treasoned faction of the BOS that were totally lame.. FO3 was rediculous and had so many flaws it wasnt even funny.. Rather VERY disappointing.

Don't feed the trolls kiddies...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PljzqcsQ62U

This might not help the argument but it looks kool.

NCR has a [censored] ton of people, but the BoS has way better weapons and armor and training. If they weren't outnumbered 500/1 , the BoS would definitely be top dog. I'm gonna support the BoS (they are a confirmed side-faction). You're supposed to be able to do side-quests for the non-main factions and BoS probably has some good rewards in return for your services.

And here's an example of a biased person.
One BOS soldier would NOT be able to kill 500 NCR soldiers.
Even if he had a fatman and unlimited nukes to reload with.
The BOS are not gods.
They got some better armor, big whoop...
Little better training, uh-huh....
And slightly better weapons....
So 500:1 ratio, NCR win.

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Sorry, I misread your post man.

BoS' biggest problem is their lack of numbers. An individual BoS soldier in Power Armour (Not FO3 armour cause it svcks) is alot more powerful then the average wastelander. Power armour is described as a walking tank that lets one foot soldier take out a town on his own. PA was winning the war for America before the bombs fell. If PA is as rare as it was in Fallouts past, then the BoS as a faction would still be very powerful but they would not last that long against NCR.

Germany during WWII had the strongest tanks and best fire power (my two cents) but their biggest problems was their lack of numbers and complicated engineering. Their tanks were so complicated to make and they had to few. The Allies and Russians could turn out tanks at a very high rate. They were simple next to the German tanks but they could be replaced easy and repaired by their crews.

NCR would have combat armour and other easier armours to make. NCR has a very large population and very big army. They could have resorted to a draft to make their army bigger. NCR could have allied themselves with the Shi in San Francisco. Point is BoS hopefully will be very powerful but their role will be limited. They lost the war with NCR because they don't have enough PA and people to use it. There is strength in numbers.

You just REALIZE you agreed with said person, right? He said that if they weren't outnumbered 500/1 (which is the same as a 500:1 ratio) then the BoS would be top dog. He didn't say that they were top dog, even if they were outnumbered 500 to 1.

The TIGER! RAAAWW!

Also it was a physcological weapon, imagine the fear of a guy taking on an armor clad vehicle with a 88mm gun on its turret. That be a jaw dopper.

Also the same can be said about the PA, watch your bullets of your assault rifle just "dink" off their armor would be discouraging.

Yeah, I was just joking around.

Oops, my mistake, thought he said "were" not "weren't".

I know that it is unlikely but this whole topic is really a bunch of what ifs right? The ending when the Enclave join the NCR is not canon because in Fallout 3 the BOS mention that the Enclave had been destroyed on the West Coast so the NCR and Enclave never did join up.

They both have huge advantages though. I think a well trained BOS in power armor could take on 20 poorly equiped NCR troops easily. The only problem is that the NCR could have 50 more to replace them.

Although, it is noteable that the NCR aren't always poorly equiped. That Desert ranger armor looks pretty advanced. Also, most of the more powerful looking weapons in NV seems to be in their posesion(LMG, Battle Rifle).

Now that I think about it, this all really could be decided by what the canonical ending to Tactics was. I doubt that we will ever know, but if we do it could make a big impact.

If it is the ending where the MW BOS let mutants into their army and become
really powerful and large then they'd defintly win(if we can count the MW branch)

I count the MW BoS. Even without letting Mutations into their army they could still win against NCR. If they had a reason to go to war with them, BoS are not interested in ruling. BoS went to war with NCR over Hoover Dam not to rule the wasteland.

With the Calculators army and Humans alone they could. The MW BoS don't all use power armour. They don't trust noobs to PA and the better weapons. If the MW BoS did meet the old BoS and made them see the the light about letting in new memebers then the Western BoS would have enough man power. Chances are this might not happen. The MW BoS control more territory then the West BoS and they started moving into Texas and maybe north into Canada.

I started a thread about this http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1087750-west-coast-bos-with-midwestern-ideals/page__p__15853031__fromsearch__1&#entry15853031. I would love to know about the meeting between the West and MW BoS. MW BoS are talked about in FO3 so more info on them for New Vegas would be great.

I agree. The calculater's army with the MW BOS could take on the NCR. The mutants would just be a plus. I also really hope that we here a little about the MW BOS in New Vegas. I think that Fallout 4 or 5 should be mainly about this encounter. It will really bum me out if they are just left out of the series and only lightly mentioned like in FO3

ncr as ive stated a million times lol just wonted to say it agian

To me the MW BOS is the sleeping giant in New Cali politics - Eventually some of the Elders and other high ups are going to pine for home, I can't see them being completely disinterested forever. The question is what happens then, are they welcomed as Brothers, Friends or Outcasts? Will both sides be happy with the other as a separate power block? Will the MW feel their accomplishments warrant their overall control over the two organisations? Will the WBOS, seeing the technology of Cheyenne Mountain demand to excersize their rights as the "True Elders" over both organisations....

To me, how that event happens changes who wins in a long war with the NCR. In a short battle, BOS wins every time. But with no WBOS-directly-controled food sources they can't win a moderate to long war.

I don't like VB - I see it as a kinda soft canon that is open to be contradicted if something better goes along. I don't like a lot of where it was going.

Okay, these are the facts:

NRC:
- population over 700000
- do have at least one super weapon maybe others though they don't know how to use it ( I quess)
- advanced technology
- produces food, ammunition, armor, etc.
- recruits: humans, ghouls, mutants
- slow communication
- NCR Rangers

BoS:
- population (I have not confirmed this from anywjere) I could not imagine over 10000
- broken liberty prime, maybe some other super weapons
- separated in multiple groups
- power armor
- advanced technology
- don't produce anything (not sure about this)
- 1-10 vertibirds (broken steel)
- mosty trains/recruits only "inside brotherhood" born, humans

So my opinion is that neither side couldn't wipe out the other but in long war NRC would win because BoS would be overwhelmed. sorry for horrible english, plz say if some information isn't correct =)

Wrong about a couple of things... Population of the Western BoS unknown they don't let in outsiders. Midwestern BoS let in outsiders, mutants and have an army of Robots, they span most of the midwestern united states. Eastern BoS, they let in Outsiders. So Midwestern BoS could have well over 10,000 (they don't all have Power Armour) and Eastern BoS might have a number close to that.

They do produce things, fallout one and three show scribs and their job is to figure out how things work so they can repair and make new things. We have not seen mass production so that could be up to debate but I think it odd they go through the trouble of learning oh it works without making their own.

Western BoS could have unlimited Vertibirds due to the quest to steal the blue prints from the Enclave. Wanting the blue prints is another sign they have the ability to make their own, only if they knew how to make one (blue prints)

All these are because of the good endings to the game and in fallout the good ending is always the Canon ending.

Just a few Postscripts...

The Knights (in the WBOS at least) were responsible for manufacturing, so there definitely is an ability to make new things (and to in house designs as Vree claimed to have designed the Laser Pistol they use). However I would still agree that we haven't seen Mass production, although what we can see in game is only representative of all there really is/would be, the WBOS' Knights only seemed to have the one room - no massive factories, although the MWBOS could easily supply these.

The BOS in Tactics at least, also have the ability to build Airships. I have no doubt that simple aeroplanes and gliders are well within their technological abilities, its just a case of having the resources.

Research NCR already won a war againts the BOS

and I'm not suprised

NCR spans from San fransico to The Hover damn and maybe even further

NCR:
Larger Army - Quanity over Quality

BOS:
High Tech - Quality over Quanity

Quanity won this time

also NCR is my favorite faction in the Fallout Universe

then The Enclave what did they ever do?