Song of Pelinal: Volume 7



You may not like it, but it does exist.

Even beyond that, the Aldudugga is canonical. Or at least the information in it is. bethesda wouldn't let MK write that stuff if it didn't fit in with their plans. Also remember most lore is written several games in advance.

And sleign, they aren't just both Dragons, they are both Quantifiably real Dragon-Gods of Time that despise mortals. That sounds strikingly similar. Akatosh is in fact Lorkhan because of the enantinomorph, and Alduin is the aspect of Time as a whithering, devouring force.

You know what? I'm done here. If you want to wholly ignore the lore of the series, that's your concern and not mine. I'll go on enjoying my deeply metaphysical work of stroytelling and you can go have a cliche slavering monster.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm quite sure that the whole "Akatosh is Lorkhan" was the big lore surprise we got at the end of Oblivion.

I've read through this whole thread and perhaps because I've been following some of the theories throughout the series (a little internal rhyme?)
that it seems highly likely that Akatosh is Alduin. The connection between the games does seem to be a chain of causality. While I'm not sure how the Staff of Chaos and Numidium directly apply to later events, I do recall a theory once being mentioned about how the "destruction" of Lorkhan's Heart was actually beneficial to Lorkhan (the deity). Basically, the destruction of the Lorkhan Heart in Dagoth Ur's Anumidium released the heart from a material prison, allowing it to roam freely in a metaphysical form. In Oblivion, the general consensus (I had believed) was that Akatosh and Lorkhan were one, as hinted with the dual-headed Akatosh statues in the chapels and further defended by theories I currently can't recall. For as long as I can remember, and this is again my interpretation of various TES texts from TIL, the imperials and other human races viewed Lorkhan favorably for giving them the mortal plane (ie existence). Akatosh (or his Elven equivalent, Auriel) had been seen as superior and Lorkhan was blamed for bringing the mer to their reduced state of mortality. Finally, the possibility of a deity possessing different spheres is not altogether foreign. Rather than piss off those who hate real religion examples, one simply needs to recall Shivering Isles. How were Jygs and Sheo connected again?

Given these ideas I'm prone to agree with the opinion that Akatosh is Alduin. Glad to see there is still the level of intellectual fervor here that first interested me in the series.

-Hexon

PS: Sleign, for your sake, stop playing to the whole "I'm not being respected because I don't post in the lore forums." From what I've read, that kind of criticism only came up once, when you were told to "go home." Even then, it is implied. I don't post nearly as much as I would like but even when I do, I am not received with the kind of feedback you have met. The feedback is based on your perspectives, your arguments, and the delivery of the aforementioned. Don't take it so personally. After reading your posts, you clearly do have a strong background in TES lore. But playing the victim isn't going to win you any support or sympathy. We're all using inductive reasoning; so we're all susceptible to being incorrect.

That wasn't Akatosh, it was Martin being consumed and turned into a Avatar of Akatosh, and then turned to stone.

Umm no, you don't get the pleasure of saying your done here when I declared this over like 5 times saying that neither side is going to listen to the reasons and evidence that either side says. I keep saying just wait until November and we will see who is right yet you keep pushing on trying to prove me wrong when you can't. In fact, my argument got even better today. If you watch the interview with Todd Howard, you will notice he talks about conflicting views of how events happen in the game just like in real life. Just because it is written in one place doesn't mean it is completely true even though it is rooted in some truth. A great example is this is the three different creation stories for Arkay. So for the last time, it is pointless to try to convince each other at this point. Just wait until we finish the main story line. As long as the story is original and enthralling all the way through I could care less if I'm wrong, but I'm sticking by my convictions.



Your right, he is a golden dragon. Alduin is a black dragon on the other hand also.

I'm sure he can take multiple forms, maybe he has Schizophrenia?

The dragon of time doesn't, he has multiple personality disorder.

Hardly. Some of your other statements ("I guess I was right") don't help your case. In any event, I think I'll stop feeding the troll.

Oh No He Didn't!

Another thing that supports the Lorkhan = Akatosh enantiomorph thing is Pelinal Whitestrake.

I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one who look at it this way.