So, after hundreds of hours in I've finally encountered the 'freezing' bug, which renders the game unfinishable.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/561101-unofficial-technical-faq/page__p__9271517#entry9271517

I understand a game of this magnitude is bound to have bugs, but I would also expect that when found, especially the kind of bug that just doesn't make the game 'inconvenient' to play, but completely and totally breaks the game as far as being able to finish it goes, that the bugs would get fixed. Why hasn't Bethesda fixed these bugs and this one in particular?

Activision was forced to fix their broken Guitar Hero III for the Wii release because a class action lawsuit was filed. It's about time Bethesda was forced to fix their buggy software.

Threatening gamesas to fix something is just going to get you banned. Perhaps you should calm down a bit?

Just start a new game and deal with it. The bug will not be fixed, and that's the end of the story. Bethesda has already explained their reasons for not addressing it. Now while it is unfortunate that this bug won't be fixed, their mind is made up, and it has now been about four years since they have had anything to do with Oblivion whatsoever.

First of all, I wasn't 'threatening' anything. Calm down a bit? LOL. What was so uncalm about what I said? This board is clearly only a place for fans of the game to come and blow smoke up the backsides of each other. Funny that everyone defending 'gamesas' can call people 'butthurt' and other similar things, yet I don't think I saw anyone telling them to 'calm down'.

The very post I linked to clearly states "People using the 360, and everyone looking for a official and permanent fix, will have to wait for Bethesda to address the issue." So, why not change that post and link to, or include the reasons provided by 'gamesas' as to why this game won't be fixed, and more importantly, why they are still continuing to take money for it. I think you need to read the Activision lawsuit. A LOT of similarities, only gamesas comes off looking like an incompetent crook, instead of just incompetent.

The class named in the suit includes all purchasers of the game who "would not have purchased the Guitar Hero III video game and/or paid as much for it had they known the truth about the product."

The suit, brought by plaintiff Samuel Livingston of San Diego and represented by the law firm KamberEdelson, LLC, "seeks actual damages, individual restitution, equitable relief, civil penalties, costs and expenses of litigation, including attorney’s fees, and all further relief available."

The suit claims that Activision has not rectified the problem for "any purchaser" of Guitar Hero III, nor has it taken steps to point out the issue to future purchasers. By noting that the game is still on store shelves this holiday, the suit alleges that Activision is continuing to engage in deceptive practices.

It's a sad fact of life that some companies need to be 'compelled' just to do the right thing. You actually believe there are 'legitimate' reasons for a company to be allowed to continue to sell a badly defective product? LOL. Wow. What other industries do you apply this logic to, or is it not one of principles but of sycophancy instead?

As long as this game is still being sold, they are still obligated to answer consumer complaints. If they aren't going to fix the game, then they need to take it off the market and stop fleecing unaware consumers. It they won't fix the game, they need to give me my money back. Now I think I'll calmly contact the firm that handled the Activision case. Between this game and their others, I think there's a clear case of deceptive marketing. And no, that wasn't a 'threat', and since I'm not here to blow smoke up anyone's backside, your hypocritical threat to me of being banned is meaningless.

Meh. I've had this happen to two of my games (it's called the A-bomb, or Animation bomb). It's annoying, but I just start a new game :shrug: Problem solved. I enjoy starting new games anyways.

I'm not sure about the XBox 360, but on the PS3 (which I own) the A-bomb only strikes games 350 hours or more. Both of my affected games had over 350 hours. So for all my current games, I keep this in mind and don't explore endlessly like I used to without addressing the quests that character is supposed to be finishing.

HTH, Renee

Saying someone should be "forced" to do a thing is a threat. You are threatening them with force.

Need to read the EULA before you spend any money on an attorney. Beth doesn't guarantee squat in it. In fact, they actually state their are no guarantees of "fitness of purpose" or some such nonsense. You can play 200 hours or more, and if you get stuck by the flaw, you can start a new game. It doesn't render the entire game unplayable...... just that particular iteration. They aren't going to fix it. The courts aren't going to force them to fix it either.

That said, it would be nice if they DID fix it....... I play on PC though, so, in all reality, it doesn't even effect me.

Yes.



Pretty much everything.

Thread closure in 5, 4, 3.....

I'm not going to play semantics with anyone. Boohoo. Bethesda has ripped off millions of Xbox 360 owners, and for all intents and purposes, freely admitted that, yet I'm the bad guy here.

I actually just gave the Activision complaint a good read, and I've got to say, what Bethesda has done, and continues to do outweighs what Activision did by several magnitudes.

@Renee - Unfortunately, one of the marketing points of the game is its longevity. Even Morrowind's Xbox GOTY edition makes the claim of "100+ Hours of Exciting New Gameplay from the Bloodmoon and Tribunal Expansions". I imagine it won't be difficult to find similar claims made by Bethesda concerning Oblivion GOTY. Bethesda makes no effort to inform the purchaser, either before or after, that the game in fact 'breaks' if you play it too long. Imagine if every company acted as Bethesda. That 10 year/100,000 mile drivetrain warranty? Bah...you got 7 years and 85,000 miles out of it and that's more than most cars so just...deal with it...we're not fixing it. LOL. I'd LOVE to see a lawyer representing Bethesda try that approach. Makes me wonder why there are any cases won at all on behalf of the consumer if companies can just 'explain' their reasons for not fixing something and be done with it. /sarcasm

I guess we'll see soon enough. I've contacted one of the partners of the lawfirm (the two have since parted ways) that handled the Activision class action lawsuit, informing them that I wish to initiate a class action against Bethesda.

And you don't think Activision had the same boilerplate EULA in their product? Read the complaint against Activision, and as you do, tell me you aren't honestly thinking throughout "Gee, this applies perfectly to Bethesda's practices too!"

I agree. As I said, I've been able to get about 360 hours per game character.



Dude. Seriously. I don't know what you spent on your game, but I spent just over $20, and I feel I've gotten waaaay more than I paid for. You're acting like you just bought a new house or something.



The sad thing is you're not really being sarcastic. Let me ask you, did you literally just join these forums just to post this?



Oooooh! Well good luck with that I guess! :facepalm: You know you're getting all huffy over (get ready) a VIDEOGAME, right!

Hey, look I was pissed when I lost my first game. I was pissed for about 20 minutes, that is. Then I moved on. That's how awesome this game is (I feel). I can just start it over, and I enjoyed doing so.

I recommend you (whoever you are; I get the feeling you're not even a gamer) put all this energy of yours to really doing something productive. Go help the folks in Mississippi prepare for flooding, or sue one of the mayors down there for not getting their levees properly built. Or something! Something other than trying to get us riled up over a videogame most of us love!

Oh no! You paid for hundreds of hours of nonstop gameplay! Far above and beyond the vast majority of video games released ever! You might have to start over after a certain point! What a ripoff! Call the Feds on these crooks!

As a matter of fact, let's call the authorities on any game company that releases a game that has an ending, because those endings cause players to have to start from the beginning! It's a travesty!

And you're the one saying "boohoo?"

I get the feeling the OP is not even a gamer. It's a lawyer who knows a little something about a glitch in a VIDEOGAME (praytell) that never got fixed for consolers. This lawyer decides he (or she, but probably he) will join the gamesas forums, post a bunch of nonsense in the hopes that some others feel the same. :nope: Nope. Not I.

The OP doesn't actually care about the game at all, he or she is really after money. How am I doing so far, OP? Maybe if enough people try to join you on your quest, you can really get your class-action suit going, eh? :rofl:

Like I said, go do something productive. Seriously. There are people who are about to lose their homes possibly.

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