TSIA (Title says it all).

Just curious if there are any mod release or WIP where you could join the camonna tong?

ST

Being a huge fan of RP mods, im all for developing these factions that were never done by Bethesda. Atm i am working on and nearing completion on my "Joining the Ordinators" mod (Psycholex's Ordinator Ascension). Check out discussion here: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1112318-psycholexs-ordinator-ascension/

Pending its completion and positive feedback from the community (which i expect.. ^_^ ) i intend to begin work on the Cammona Tong. In the past, ive searched for similar mods to join them, but havent really come up with much good stuff.

In the meantime, may i suggest the Vvardenfell Druglord (cbf finding link, search Planet Elder Scrolls). Thats quite a goodish mod if your into the quest based illegal activites mods

Joining the Camonna Tong is very unrealistic cause they don't accept ANY outlanders, this also include Dunmer who aren't born on Vvardenfell (or Morrowind?)...So every mod that let you join them is a conflict with lore in general.

Try

- Suran Underworld (Bloodfang Tong)
- To serve Sithis (Dark Brotherhood)

instead.

Suran Underworld is pretty good.

I'd be interested in a Commona Tong mod. I look forward to it, Psycholex.

Just for the point of lore-correctness, I understand that it has been said that the camonna tong don't allow outsiders to join. But I would think they would not mind USING outsiders to benefit thier organization... Like the ties to house Hlaalu and the influence of the fighters guild to destroy the thieves guild. The fighters guild with Sjoring Hard Heart (Nord) and Eidris Fire-Eye (Nord), and the others in vivec who try to get you to kill for them...

So there are ways of skirting around lore-correctness without breaking lore-correctness...

ST

Your ordinator mod does look good, but just FYI - dont say that you expect positive feedback cause that just provides an ego for the trolls to feed on....

Anyway, I'd be intrested in a Camonna Tong mod, so hurry up and finish your ordinator mod

Also despite them hating the beast races they don't mind hiring them, as shown in one quest you find on the road between Vivec and Suran, just past the Dren plantation I believe. They also hire you in another quest to deliver a slave in Hla Oad.

Also in a House Hlaalu quest you can convince Orvas Dren to give you control over the Camonna Tong. I'm pretty sure if you could give the Camonna Tong some benefit of letting an outlander in, they'd let you join. Through blackmail or persuasive arguements, or bribes.

Yea i learnt that lesson.. :violin:

I still think people should be able to say whether they expect a positive response. Nothing illegally egotistical about that. Its guna be a deep, detailed mod that should satisfy a big role thats never been addressed. Even my half-arsed Ordo Daemonica mod has had some good feedback, and POA should be a million times better than that (yes, im allowed to compare my mods against my own :clap: )

:flamethrower: :homestar:

Oh theres nothing wrong with wanting positive feedback, everyone wants that - just becareful how you phrase it cause it can make you seem like a * :spotted owl: *, its hard to read thought and emotion behind words so its easy to offend/annoy/feed trolls. And when that happens it opens up an bliviongate:

I will be watching this thread to see when you decide to start up a comonna Tong mod

Because it is impossible to roleplay a native Dunmer?

Sure the NPC's will probably still call you 'outlander', but you can easily ignore this. Just because the game doesn't expect your character to be a native Dunmer shouldn't make it impossible to roleplay as one.

It probably will take far to much time but it would be nice to have 4 different options to play a Commona Tong mod:

-Native Dunmer, as soon as you prove your loyalty they threat you good.
-Outlander Dunmer, they dislike you but they will eventually start to trust you and might even accept you as one of them after a long time.
-Outlander, they won't actually let you join them, but they will give you some jobs and use you for there own benefit. (This doesn't have to mean you can't join the faction in-game it just limits you to the first few ranks for example.)
-Beast race, you can't join they won't let you help them. They might have a very few quests for you like using you to trick escaped slaves to come out of hiding (since you as a beast race can act like an escaped slave yourself), but in the end they will try to capture/enslave or kill you.

It would be totally unrealistic to have beast races be some what accepted, they might use you a little bit and then try to get rid of you but nothing more.

I understand that 4 different options is probably too much work, so to have it lore correct it should threat you like a native Dunmer since they are the only ones that actually would be accepted. The mod won't make sense if it is played by a non-Dunmer character, but if you care that much about it you shouldn't a Commona Tong mod while not roleplaying a fitting character.

I, too, have been looking around for a Comonna Tong mod.

Included with such a mod, however, should be the means of actually -playing- a native Dunmer (perhaps even an ashlander, just for posterity?). There are plenty of mods which offer up an alternative start... but very few of those ever manage to fix the 'outlander' treatment the player receives from the majority of Vvardenfellers. The reason for this, as far as I can tell, is a lack of willingness to endure the pain of creating ten thousand new dialogue options for native vs. outlander characters.

I get it. Really, I do.

So Psycholex... if you really do intend to make a Comonna Tong mod... please... PLEASE... I beg of you... include these things... so that we can finally tell all these folks who say 'you can't do that because you're just some outlander' to shut up! My character was born and raised in Balmora. He's House Hlaalu, through and through. When he isn't busy pandering to the 'wants' of the Imperials... he's robbing them blind when their backs are turned.

That is all. ^_^

My mind cracks at the thought of how epic and complex that mod would be. Hours and hours of dialogue sifting. Makes me cry thinking about it.

Well ive recently discovered the joys of Minecraft, so im putting completion of POA to one side for the moment. Which pushes some of my other ideas waaaaaaaaaay back

Any Camonna Tong mod would probably (yes, your not going to like this) incorporate existing outlander dynamics.

But that different start idea is cool. :celebration:

I agree with you completely. :thumbsup:

I think there might be one way in which a Dunmer PC could join without breaking lore.

You could have the player tell the Camonna Tong that she or he *was* a native Dunmer but had been abducted at a young age and taken away from Vvardenfell, perhaps by an Imperial soldier after some policing action. They were treated as little better than a slave and thus had as much reason to hate the Imperials and other outlanders as the Camonna Tong do. You could make it as a choice for the player that this story is 'true' or the player could be lying to gain membership of the Camonna Tong.

You could start with the player discovering that the CT hate outlanders, doing a couple of low level jobs for them and then trying to get some 'evidence' or an aged 'witness' to support their claim to being native born. There might not be an actual witness, even if it is a true story, but you'd need to get something to back it up. The problem with a witness however, is that they might demand more than you've given them to continue the deception, once they realize how important it is to you, but then, you'd have to be quite ruthless to want to join the CT anyway...

The CT would be suspicious but also see the advantages of someone who might appear to be an outlander being part of their organization - but would they ever be wholly convinced...?