can we disregard some of the bad lore : V - Skyrim

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:21 pm

Cyrodill's Topography is lower then that of the over provinces, the Imperial City is the lowest central point of that region, the surrounding mountains of Valus / Jerrall and Dragontail? (Highrock /Hammerfell) all feed rivers into Vally Niben that flows out into Topal, why wouldn't it have been a lush jungle of epicness? but summers points are Valid (ha Summer, I made a funny)

Because it's right next to the taiga in southern Skyrim? Basic geography places Cyrodiil in a temperate zone.

Also that thing with Mannimarco and Arkay is pretty damn cool.

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:34 am

first of all, none of that lore is going to be ignored, the only reason MANNIMARCO [how the hell did you screw that up so badly?] was so weak was because bethesda seems to have trouble creating tough boss battles.

the dark brotherhood has different branches, all of which are different... they're not all going to have the exact same personality... besides, the DB questline was the BEST one in oblivion...

why should ALL the fighter guilds be corrupt, just because one was?

it sounds like you just want to go back to playing morrowind, so why dont you just go do that?

thank the nine you arent in bethesda, you'd ruin every game by preventing progress and making them all exactly like morrowind. :slap:

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:18 pm

I know it doesn't completely fit with Skyrim, but on the note of lore, can we please have a playable Sload and/or Imga race? I love the beastfolk, and would love to see BGS incorporate some more of their own, though somewhat forgotten races. If not playable, at least let me talk to one!

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:05 pm

On Mannimarco:

The Mannimarco that you defeated in oblivion was his avatar, not his whole self.
He achieved apotheosis in Daggerfall and his plane(t) orbits Arkay.

This also makes black soul gems possible. Arkay's edicts prevent the souls of a sentient being being trapped.
When Mannimarco eclipses Arkay, every 8 days, Arkay's influence is corrupted and black soul gems can be created.

Thats what i love about TES... so much lore!!! EPIC!

(morrowind was my 1st TES game)

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:12 pm

mamicaro - NO
the dark brotherhood is --- NO
the fighters guild -- NO
black soul gems- Stealing the souls of humans isn't already?
vampires -- They will be improved, probably just not how you suggested
wearboars -- NO, maybe an easter egg, probably not
vampireism and lycanthropy -- NO
make daedric extraordinarily rare again. -- YES
molag bal -- Аз не разбирам (I don't understand)
could daedra have their own prince again? -- Are you kidding me? Do you even know what a Daedra is? Please educate yourself before spewing... http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:Daedra

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:50 pm

Mannimarco- lets completely ignore the entire oblivion mages guild quest line, ok? the king of worms really wasn't a high elf that was as weak as any imperial guard!

That Mannimarco could be numerous things. Could be there are 7 King of Worms and 1 God of Worms, due to the 8 ending of Daggerfall, an impostor, or the God of Worm's avatar. We have no real answer.

lets also pretend that the dark brotherhood is a secretive (do note the word secretive, its very important) cult of assassins- not a bunch of goths that are A: anything but secretive, and B: not actually assassins - Jonas brothers aren't rock. ok?

They were still secretive, but I will agree they should have the insane cult feeling toned down in Skyrim. However, that's how the Cyrodiil branch behaves, so...yeah.

the fighters guild in oblivion didn't make me want to throw a baby at a wall due to the storyline- but can they please go back to being corrupt asses?

The head of the guild was a very strict lady. If a member was too unruly or corrupt, she did toss them out, as noted by that one orc in the Grey Mare. But...You and Orwyn single handedly enforced the whole guild thing, a monopoly on a service. You and Orywn single handedly killed your competition, instead of appealing to the counts and countesses to actually honor their charter. Corrupt? More like a bunch of brutal enforcers.

black soul gems- what makes human souls special enough to require their own gem? i dont mind the idea of a "black" soulgem that is different but having soul gems specificaly for humans? the thing had the same enchant value as a grand anyways. black soul gems should be made interesting.

Yeah...I'd like it if they were more clear with the Soul Gems. In Daggerfall, the gem would note what you captured, and if an enchanted item completely broke, the being you stuck in your sword would pop out. In Morrowind, they became, more or less, enchanting batteries, but at least you know what you captured. Oblivion just made them into D batteries.

apparently Cyrodiil vampires were meant to be great at being "human"- could Skyrim vampires be more like old style vampires- maybe with a little demonism added?

It was just one game that had human-like vamps. I hope that Skyrim will bring back the fugly 24/7 vamps back.

Wearboars are meant to only reside in Hammerfell and high rock- could they PLEASE be found on the very eastern edge of Skyrim? Wereboars sound more awesome than werewolves, wearbears and carebears...vampireism and lycanthropy shouldent give 100% resistance to disease- or at least let the player become manbearpig!! (half werebear, half were boar)) or some allow the player to be hybrids (vampires until transformation, maybe some extra bonuses as a wolf)

Now you're disregarding your own idea of disregarding "bad lore" when you are suggesting to break lore because YOU think it'd be awesome.

make daedric extraordinarily rare again.

Agreed

could molag bal (i think it was molag bal) actually be named the prince of r*** (he was in daggerfall)

And he still is, but his name is still Molag Bal.

could spider daedra actualy be half naked person again?

Why?

could daedra have their own prince again? rather than having most daedra belonging to Mehrunes and every other daedric prince having a single daedra minion

The invasion was a special case.

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:36 pm

lets also pretend that the dark brotherhood is a secretive (do note the word secretive, its very important) cult of assasins- not a bunch of goths that are A: anything but secritive, and B: not actualy assasins - jonas brothers arent rock ok?

I hated Cyrodiil's DB! They acted like a bunch of goth teenagers who were trying to be eeeeeevil. Open the black doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooor! The whole "wrath of Sithis" thing got on my nerves, too, since Sithis is a concept, not a god! I also hated how they all had to talk in a hushed, dramatic voice. That is a true case of over acting!

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:39 am

mamicaro - NO
the dark brotherhood is --- NO
the fighters guild -- NO
black soul gems- Stealing the souls of humans isn't already?
vampires -- They will be improved, probably just not how you suggested
wearboars -- NO, maybe an easter egg, probably not
vampireism and lycanthropy -- NO
make daedric extraordinarily rare again. -- YES
molag bal -- Аз не разбирам (I don't understand)
could daedra have their own prince again? -- Are you kidding me? Do you even know what a Daedra is? Please educate yourself before spewing... http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:Daedra

You misread his post, Spectre. He said, could each daedroth each follow whatever prince it wished. Please read the post, before telling another member to 'educate himself before spewing...' it's only common courtesy

And Mannimarco was over-demonized, as was the Dark Brotherhood and I don't even want to talk about the Fighters' Guild. And Wereboars should be near the western edge, and werebears should be more common than werewolves...

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:17 pm

you seem like the kind of kid that got pissed off when they announced that pluto isnt a planet anymore. s%#t changes and it all has a reason to do so.

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:02 am

You sure that s only the lore that should be scrapped, i think its the entire game.

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:48 pm

tes has fantastic lore (in my opinion- the best lore of any game)

but there are a few things that upset me.

mamicaro - lets completely ignore the entire oblivion mages guild questline ok? the king of worms realy wasnt a high elf that was as weak as any imperial guard!

Mannimarco isn't dead. He is a demi-god and the Mannimarco in Oblivion was somewhat of an avatar of him, which he probably possessed an Altmer. Just because you neutralized his powers so that you could defeat the incarnation of Mannimarco doesn't mean he is dead and done for.

lets also pretend that the dark brotherhood is a secretive (do note the word secretive, its very important) cult of assasins- not a bunch of goths that are A: anything but secritive, and B: not actualy assasins - jonas brothers arent rock ok?

I'm not sure where you even got this one. They are secretive, they are assassins and the Dark Brotherhood assassinated the Jonas Brothers.

the fighters guild in oblivion didnt make me want to throw a baby at a wall due to the storyline- but can they please go back to being corrupt asses?

The fighters guild shouldn't be corrupted asses, they are supposed to be a guild of valiant people. Though corruption can take hold.

black soul gems- what makes human souls special enough to require their own gem? i dont mind the idea of a "black" soulgem that is different but having soul gems specificaly for humans? the thing had the same enchant value as a grand anyways. black soul gems should be made interesting.

Because Arkay protects the souls of the mortal races that worship the Nine. The power of Mannimarco allows for the ability to trap the souls of those that worship the nine regardless of the power of Arkay.

apparently cyrodil vampires were meant to be great at being "human"- could skyrim vampires be more like old style vampires- maybe with a little demonism added?

The vampires could possibly be much different. If you have read the book about the vampires, we might have the vampires that can pass through ice and such.

wearboars are meant to only reside in hammerfell and high rock- could they PLEASE be found on the very eastern edge of skyrim? wereboars sound more awsome than werewolves,wearbears and carebears

Possibly.

vampireism and lycanthropy shouldent give 100% resistance to disease- or at least let the player become manbearpig!! (half werebear, half were boar)) or some allow the player to be hybrids (vampires until transformation, maybe some extra bonuses as a wolf)

That would be cool but the idea behind that is that Lycanthropy and Vampirism are such powerful diseases that they destroy any other disease that tries to take grip in the body.

could daedra have their own prince again? rather than having most daedra belonging to mehrunes and every other daedric prince having a single daedra minion

The other daedra princes tend to borrow daedra minions from the other princes. Like spider daedra obviously don't belong to Mehrunes Dagon. He just had them for invading Tamriel.

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:29 pm

....
@ Summer hmmm I must have gotten lost and never encountered any of these forests in all the randomly generated landscape.

http://www.nukeation.net/content/binary/Copy%20of%20obliv32B.jpg

And I've been playing TES IV: Oblivion since it was released. And I've never encountered randomly generated landscape. Maybe you're thinking of a different game. I think Daggerfall was randomly generated.

Oblivion has a wide diversity of landscapes with had placed rocks, tree, bridges, steps, plants etc.

sean144800 you might want to try Oblivion sometime.

I hope Skyrim can compete.

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:17 pm

The only major one for me is the King of Worms, which would be easily solved by just giving us a definitive answer.

My solution would involve including the "real" King of Worms in the style of the DF appearance and some passing mention of an imposter/destroy avatar/dragon break issue, etc.

I think the main annoyance is that the KoW in Daggerfall was such a major player, and was reduced to some snivelling speedbump who, for some reason, is no longer an ancient lich of unimaginable power.

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:29 pm

It does.

You have to stop using fast travel.

Bahahahaha it's funny because you made an assumption and then based a point on it. I NEVER use fast travel.

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:15 pm

Bahahahaha it's funny because you made an assumption and then based a point on it. I NEVER use fast travel.

Never? That's a bit excessive... don't you get bored of the generic landscape?

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:09 pm

Never? That's a bit excessive... don't you get bored of the generic landscape?

Nah, thats why I play with FCOM, Unique Landscapes, duke patrick's archery, DR 6, and supreme magicka + LAME. Makes it much easier to bear. To be honest on the 360 I attempted to not use fast travel, but ended up doing it reguardless for that very reason. But that was ages ago.

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:27 pm

there was a reason deadric wasn't rare, have you ever noticed those 100 or so gates that popped up from time to time?

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:42 am

there was a reason deadric wasn't rare, have you ever noticed those 100 or so gates that popped up from time to time?

Technically Dremora's don't always carry daedric, but this is actually a pretty interesting explanation haha.
also heres a temporate forest for ya'l, notice how the trees aren't half a football feild away from each other, and the ground cover
http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1259&bih=684&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=temporate+forest&aq=f&aqi=g-sx10&aql=&oq=

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:48 pm

On Mannimarco:

The Mannimarco that you defeated in oblivion was his avatar, not his whole self.
He achieved apotheosis in Daggerfall and his plane(t) orbits Arkay.

This also makes black soul gems possible. Arkay's edicts prevent the souls of a sentient being being trapped.
When Mannimarco eclipses Arkay, every 8 days, Arkay's influence is corrupted and black soul gems can be created.

wait...so he turned himself into a planet??
omg that it is soooo epic, but still the questline for the mages guild cannot be forgiven

Technically Dremora's don't always carry daedric, but this is actually a pretty interesting explanation haha.
also heres a temporate forest for ya'l, notice how the trees aren't half a football feild away from each other, and the ground cover
http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1259&bih=684&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=temporate+forest&aq=f&aqi=g-sx10&aql=&oq=

i dont think the systems at the time could handle that much ground cover detail or amount of trees

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:18 pm

i dont think the systems at the time could handle that much ground cover detail or amount of trees

The unique landscape mods do exactly that and overall add alot of interesting features and areas to the game that make it more interesting and even more lore freindly.
And my current system is from that time soes >.>

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:47 pm

The unique landscape mods do exactly that and overall add alot of interesting features and areas to the game that make it more interesting and even more lore freindly.
And my current system is from that time soes >.>

when I first got Oblivion, I know I couldn't handle it and that i why we have mods for customization, sorry console player all that you get to customize is your t.v. controler and cosole

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:09 pm

How about we just disregard jack254?

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:15 pm

How about we just disregard jack254?

agreed, just because something actually happened doesn't mean it is bad lore