The Prophet's Speech

Post » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:23 pm

The prophet is being slightly metaphorical. The Serpent tries to eat eat the stars but the Gaurdian constellations prevented that. Now hat the guardians (the Emperor, the Dragon Fires) have fallen the serpent (the Daedra) can freely eat all the stars (take over Mundus) and bring darkness.

Is that really a bad thing? I mean, look how fascinating Morrowind & the Shivering Isles were under influence of Daedric powers....
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Post » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:30 am

Yes because that would suggest the devs can't imagine a world that is strange without shrooms. :P
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Post » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:55 am

Yes because that would suggest the devs can't imagine a world that is strange without shrooms. :P


All I'm saying is that the Nine Divines are boring.
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Post » Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:07 am

Two questions come to mind: Is this true? And, if so, why?

We can only hope so, shutting the Daedra out completely for all time is a bad corner to paint yourself into. As for why, nothing really says the Dragon Statue became a new stone for White-Gold it has only been theorized as such. If that's true tower number three just went down.
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Post » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:54 pm

You say I catch on pretty quick but I promise you I don't. Take the Towers you mention; I have seen them crop up in many lore threads as they seem essential to the whole ES series. However, I actually know nothing about them (although I'm thinking that they are the first structures created where the gods would meet?), espescially how they might relate to the prophet's speech. Are you saying that the wheel of creation has guardian towers, like the wheel of the stars has guardian birthsigns?

...snip...



Proweler can probably explain that stuff better of maybe a couple of links to til:

http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/nalionarticle2.shtml

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml

I think what its saying is that if Nirn is the Hub then the Towers are the Spokes.

If you played Morrowind then The Red Tower referred to is Red Mountain and its 'stone' was the Heart that as the Nerevarine you freed.

Now the Guardian Theory has come along suggesting that something else was the real motive force for the 'holding power' - that would be The Tribunal. Again as the Nerevarine if you played the expansion The Tribunal then you are likely to have killed at least one of the members there-of - ironic, eh? the Guardian Theory suggests that may have been a sort of oops!

What is happening in these 'Obscure Texts (as they have been entitled) is that, without exception, the Deadra are being promoted as solely evil and the Aedra as solely good. It is a strong case in many ways - but I am not entirely sure it is true - despite the many fascinating insights that the Obscure Texts offer.

It would be even more ironic if it were discovered that the Daedra mostly wanted to keep things the way they are and that some of the Aedra were actually aligned with Dagon in trying to break Nirn ... but we have little or nothing with which to build such a hypothesis despite the tastyness of 'Betrayals among the Gods' ;)
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Post » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:47 pm

I think what its saying is that if Nirn is the Hub then the Towers are the Spokes.

It's not saying that. Towers are imitations of the shape the wheel makes when viewed from the right angle- hence drawing on the power of that ideal in order to shape the Mundus.
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Post » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:14 am

Thanks for the links 1999. I think things have become a little clearer now. Certainly it's clear that I must play TES III Morrowind as soon as physically possible, for I have never experienced it before.

After reading those links, doesn't it seem that the prophet's speech seems to give weight to the Guardian Theory?
Anyway, my head is starting to hurt a little now but I still can't understand how the constellations can have an impact on Nirn. I keep gowing over the speech about the Constellations failing in the face of the Serpent and can't help seeing the paralells playing out during OB.

I mean, all this talk about the Towers having mortal (mannish/Merish) guardians seems to copy the idea of the constellations having charges. Now, I know that the stars are holes to oblivion - which means that I can't link the two. But all I can think about is the threat to the world from oblivion in the forms of Dagon and (indirectly) Meridia, then listening to the "metaphore" of the stars that the prophet keeps referencing. Are the constellations guardians of their own Towers? The Guardian Theory certainly makes the connection between the constellations and actual historical figures:
"And it was of the Tower that my emperor wanted to hear. He was dying and I loved him yet. He, too, was a Master and so I knew that he realized just how big a realm that the Tower encompassed. I am sure that when I meet the Warrior and Arctus again, they will have brought similar burdens. My guesses are the Lord and Ritual, but I do not know and would be delighted to be wrong."


So my next question would be: Who, in the time of TES IV Oblivion, is The Warrior, The Mage and The Thief? Am I right in thinking that one of these roles would be filled by the Champion of Cyrodil Him/Herself?
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Post » Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:42 am

The Towers are an example of the stars and sun affecting Mundus. Both are holes leading to Aetherius, and both shower Nirn with creatia, Anuic energy that is harvested by White Gold and probably others.
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Post » Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:59 am

I mean, all this talk about the Towers having mortal (mannish/Merish) guardians seems to copy the idea of the constellations having charges. Now, I know that the stars are holes to oblivion - which means that I can't link the two. But all I can think about is the threat to the world from oblivion in the forms of Dagon and (indirectly) Meridia, then listening to the "metaphore" of the stars that the prophet keeps referencing. Are the constellations guardians of their own Towers? The Guardian Theory certainly makes the connection between the constellations and actual historical figures:


Emphasis mine.

Although our current conception is that the stars are holes through Oblivion to Aetherius, and there is reason to suggest that this conception is not inacurate, there is also reason to suggest that this conception is not entirely sufficient to describe stars completely. Stars may not be exclusively holes in Oblivion.
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Post » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:57 am

Thanks Dumbkid. To understand what you meant, I followed a link in the "Keys to a Successful Harvest" thread. So our understanding is that while the stars are holes through Oblivion to Aetherius, they also might occupy a space place that is neither Oblivion or Aetherius?

Would such realisation through even more doubt into astrological theories? Looking at what we think we know of the stars and how they work, what they do, could the reason they behave as they do be because they are something more than we think? If they reside in an area that is neither Oblivion or Aetherius, are they guarding Aetherius from Oblivion, or are they guarding Oblivion from Aetherius? Or are they guarding both from something else?
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