Daedra or their Princes : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:31 am

Hm, yeah, a bit of a strange topic...

Lesser Daedra
Summoning Daedra means casting a spell. Summoning them indefinetely means using Contant Effect ehchantment. Excluding Oblivion gates, are there any other means for Daedra to come and stay on the mortal plain, either for short, long or indefined time? And when they pass through the gates like in TES4, how long do they stay? Can they learn new spells, skills? When they die and return to Oblivion but later come back, do they keep the memories of their previous stay on Mundus?

Daedra Princes
Summoning Daedra Prince is by ritual on a X day. For how long? What are the limitation, restrictions, rules? Did this change after the events of TES4? Are there any other means for Daedra Prince to come and stay on the mortal plain, either for short, long or indefined time?

Just something I've been wondering.

» Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:10 pm

Summoning Daedra means casting a spell. Summoning them indefinetely means using Contant Effect ehchantment. Excluding Oblivion gates, are there any other means for Daedra to come and stay on the mortal plain, either for short, long or indefined time? And when they pass through the gates like in TES4, how long do they stay? Can they learn new spells, skills? When they die and return to Oblivion but later come back, do they keep the memories of their previous stay on Mundus?

You're wrong on the account that summoning them permanently involves constant effect enchantments. It can be used that way but it doesn't seem to be the case.

Most Daedric servants can be summoned by sorcerers only for very brief periods, within the most fragile and tenuous frameworks of command and binding. This fortunately limits their capacity for mischief, though in only a few minutes, most of these servants can do terrible harm to their summoners as well as their enemies.

Worshippers may bind other Daedric servants to this plane through rituals and pacts. Such arrangements result in the Daedric servant remaining on this plane indefinitely -- or at least until their bodily manifestations on this plane are destroyed, precipitating their supernatural essences back to Oblivion. Whenever Daedra are encountered at Daedric ruins or in tombs, they are almost invariably long-term visitors to our plane. - http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/darkest_darkness.shtml

Now I would assume the rituals and pacts involve all the work to open a gate to Oblivion with a Sigil Stone. (The barrier only prevented gates staying open long periods of time ref: Liminal Bridges)

» Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:50 am

Ok, so what of the Dremoras and other various Daedra found outside the Daedric shrines in Morrowind? Were they summoned with a spell or a pact by the mage living in the shrine? Or are they just there becuase their Prince wills them to be there to guard the shrtine? :unsure:

Part of the reason I am asking all this is I am trying to figure out how dudes like http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Gothren or http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Baladas_Demnevanni_%28person%29 and other NPCs have Deadra guarding them at all times or working for them and they get the beasties over to Mundus. Did Gotheran have to open a mini Oblivion gate to get the beasties to his tower?

Is Darkest Darkness the only reading that concerns this?

» Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:38 pm

When they die and return to Oblivion but later come back, do they keep the memories of their previous stay on Mundus?

Yes that's what makes them immortal, as opposed to mortals who have no memory's of their past lives when they return from the dreamsleave

» Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:48 am

Yes that's what makes them immortal, as opposed to mortals who have no memory's of their past lives when they return from the dreamsleave

At the same time, the Daedra don't seem particularly fond of that time between banishment and reincarnation.

» Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:44 am

Dreamsleave? :unsure:

At the same time, the Daedra don't seem particularly fond of that time between banishment and reincarnation.

Why would they not be happy? Its that their home, The Planes?

» Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:56 pm

Dreamsleave? :unsure:

It's like a recycling bin/womb for mortal souls.

Why would they not be happy? Its that their home, The Planes?

http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/spiritofthedaedra.shtml. The dremora try to be "tough guys" about it but the truth is in there. They feel the pain of death just like mortals, and they hate and fear that time of darkness between physical forms.

Some daedra seem to be a little ditsy and have a hard time finding their way back, which is why Sheogorath made the beacons for his servants in his realm. Which would be another reason to not want to "die".