Unofficial Technical FAQ

Post » Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:11 pm

Unofficial technical FAQ for PCs

-by Lord Athanar, Tig Ol Bitties and TES H&S Issues forum crew.

- updated January 18th-20th, 2007.
- updated April 27th, 2007.
- updated March 7, 2009.

This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) covers most problems posted in Oblivion Hardware and Software Issues forum, and has a few useful tips for boosting performance and preventing crashes in the game. I hope you'll find it a good read, and I hope it will help you with your problem. Issues are colored in blue, and tips and tweaks in green

If your problem isn't covered in this FAQ, or it keeps happening, post your issue in a new thread, so regulars here can help you.

Table of content:

1. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=561101&view=findpost&p=8103698
1.1 How well will my computer run Oblivion?
1.2 What are the real system requirements for the game?
1.3 I want to upgrade my computer for Oblivion, what can you recommend me?

2. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=561101&view=findpost&p=8103701
2.1 My computer won't read the Oblivion disc.
2.2 Setup won't run, when exploring the DVD it only shows setup.ins
2.3 I am getting an Installshield error while installing the game.
2.4 I am getting CRC (Cycle Redundancy Check) errors while installing the game.
2.5 Install won't finish, had to force terminate it.

3. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=561101&view=findpost&p=8103705
3.1 I am getting an error message/black box when attempting to run Oblivion.
3.2 I am getting a white screen/crash to desktop after the intro movie (character creation screen)
3.3 Unsupported GPU list, and possible workarounds for some.

4. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=561101&view=findpost&p=8103712
4.1 Crash to desktop when entering sewers.
4.2 Very low framerate (FPS) after exiting sewers.
4.3 Random Crashes To Desktop (CTDs)
4.4 CTDs when loading cells
4.5 Crash to desktop/BSOD(blue screen)/computer restart after few minutes of playing
4.6 Odd graphical glitches/artifacts/weapon flickering
4.7 Quest-related bugs and crashes
4.8 Crash when equipping a bow stronger other than iron/steel/elven (silver, glass, ebony etc.)
4.9 I'm getting a 'Corrupted save game' message when trying to load a saved game
4.10 My character moves extremely slow/strafes in one direction/doesn't move.
4.11 BSOD when enabling HDR on nVidia cards
4.12 Framerate decrease after playing Oblivion for a longer period/when loading cells
4.13 Slowdowns to 1-2FPS near Oblivion gates or some spells/magic effects with ATI cards
4.14 In-game sound glitches/popping/crackling
4.15 Can't enable HDR/Can't enable HDR and AA same time
4.16 Minimizing issues
4.17 I can't open Oblivion because of a d3dx9_27.dll error.
4.18 Slow/Frozen Doors, Fire, Spell etc. animations bug.
4.19 I can't use the cheat console and I am using Windows Media Center Edition.
4.20 I want to use my X360 controller for my PC, but it's not working well.
4.21 My mouse/keyboard becomes nonfunctional after 5-10 minutes.
4.22 Enemy is always following me, but I don't see anything/anyone, and I can't sleep to level up.
4.23 Why have several of my skills reset after using showracemenu function in the console to change my character's features?
4.24 Bloom enhancing/performance tweaks/useful mods and utilities

5. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=561101&view=findpost&p=8103714
5.1 Can't uninstall the game

6. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=561101&view=findpost&p=8103718
6.1 Can't install official mods
6.2 Conflicting/malfunctioning unofficial mods
6.3 Official patch problems
6.4 Official Patch 1.2 - Issues and fixes

7. http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=561101&view=findpost&p=9271517

8. http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=561101&view=findpost&p=13928838

To find your way around easily, press Ctrl+F and type the number of section you are looking for, and hit enter 2 times.


Thanks to all who offered solutions and software I listed here, and all of the regulars here who are helping people and offering them daily. And please, if you found something I left out, or you feel should be added, feel free to PM me, so I can add it. Any constructive suggestions are very much welcome.
Special thanks from Oblivion community for making this game a bit more tolerable :): CCNA, Brash, Kivan, Timeslip, Original-Kiwi, Nottheking, Othilien, asp, Nightmare2013, Luchaire, googlesta, HonourableTyr, Stormfox, da mage, and all others that are mentioned or linked to in the FAQ.
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1. Pre-Oblivion purchase

1.1 How well will my computer run Oblivion?

Before you buy this game, you must make sure your computer will run this game. You can see official system requirements in the pinned FAQ-READ THIS FIRST, and you can see unofficial system requirements, that we regulars here gathered from our experience, below.

A good way to find out is to run a http://www.yougamers.com/gameometer/10098/ tab from yougamers. Its not too accurate, but will give you a good idea what can you expect.
You can also see where your Graphics card stands in Nottheking's http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=797401&hl= and your Processor in in HonourableTyr's http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=507557

Some people ask why do games even come with Minimum system requirements, you can see the answer here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/games/getstarted/minimumrequirements.mspx

1.2 What are the real system requirements for the game?

Though not a frequent question, I think it is important, because a lot of people get worse performance than they expected. So I made a list called 'real system requirements' and I'll use it now.


Supported Video Card Chipsets:

+ ATI X4x00 series, new after Oblivion
+ ATI X3x00 series, new after Oblivion
+ ATI X2x00 series, new after Oblivion
+ ATI X1950 series, new after Oblivion
ATI X1900 series
ATI X1800 series
+ ATI X1650 series, new after Oblivion

ATI X1600 series
ATI X1300 series <--These models are rather slow for the game. The XT model is alright
ATI X850 series
ATI X800 series
ATI X700 series
ATI X600 series <-- very slow
ATI Radeon 9800 series
ATI Radeon 9700 series
ATI Radeon 9600 series <-- very slow
ATI Radeon 9500 series <-- even more slow
+ Geforce GTX 2x0 series, new after Oblivion
+ Geforce 9x00 series, new after Oblivion
+ Geforce 8800 series, new after Oblivion
+ Geforce 8600 series, new after Oblivion
+ Geforce 8500 series, new after Oblivion
+ Geforce 7950 series, new after Oblivion
+ Geforce 7900 series, new after Oblivion
NVIDIA GeForce 7800 series
+ Geforce 7600, new after Oblivion
+ GeForce 7300, new after Oblivion <-- Rather slow
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 series
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 series <-- 6600GT is decent, but lower models are slow
NVIDIA GeForce 6200 series <-- Bottom of the barrel!
NVIDIA GeForce FX series ("5700 or above") <-- Nope: all still way too slow! may have issues as well

ATI Suffixes: XTX > XT > XL > Pro > AIW (All-In-Wonder) > GTO > Vanilla > GT > SE > Hyper Anything
nVidia Suffixes: Ultra > GTX > GTS > GT > GSO GS > Vanilla > LE = XT > VE > TC / TD(6200)


1.3 I want to upgrade my computer for Oblivion, what can you recommend me?

I'll use some of Original-Kiwi (former member) advice for this, since he has made a pretty good GPU shopping guide:

Original-Kiwi and Tig's advice:


Be sure to AVOID buying any video solution with these letter combinations in their names: FX, LE, MX, SE, VE, TC, & TD. Add to those another name suffix that is good for Radeons, but terrible for the Geforce cards = "XT". To know how various name suffixes relate to one another, the " > " symbol will mean that the one on the left is faster than the one on the right, and they are in sequence here:

ATI Suffixes: XTX > XT > XL > Pro > AIW (All-In-Wonder) > GTO > Vanilla > GT > SE > Hyper Anything
nVidia: Ultra > GTX > GTS > GT > GSO GS > Vanilla > LE = XT > VE > TC / TD(6200)


Online purchase is the best way to get the the most for your money when it comes to video cards. There just aren't many storefront operators willing to compete on the prices of VGA unless you live near a Fry's Electronics or a Microcenter. As a matter of fact, most such go the other way and GOUGE the buyers with prices higher than MSRP. I will name online pricing in USD only. PCI-e(16) card pricing can run as much as $20-$25 lower than AGP.

Price Grabber and even Google Shopping are pricing engines we look to, personally. That dollar figure is USD, shipped stateside. Choose a mid-level or higher card for Obliv; the game runs poorly on Low- level VGAs. You can pretty well start from the cards with "600" in their names (last three digits of model number; for the Nvidia GTX 2x0 series it's a bit different) as the preferred minimum. Anything less can be quite slow depending on the series...i.e. both a 7300 and the X1300 are slower than an X600, which was marginal for Obliv at its speed (only an X600 Pro seems to be available now). The plain Vanilla Geforce 6600 is also slow, as is the old Radeon 9600 plain...so it also does depend on the age of the card as well.

(Should you be reading this from somewhere "offshore" from my country, check around for a "Price Grabber style" web site based on a server in your own marketplace, and featuring online retailers in your area.)


Do not be misled by onboard VRAM. The fact is 256 MBs of this video memory is about as much as the game will use for vanilla Oblivion. Once you get into modding with crazy mods like QTP3 and the Almost Everything VWD mod, the VRAM usage can get up to 700-800MB easily. Cards like the 512 MB version of the 8500GT is wasting folks' money as well as adding some overhead, that results in that card running this game more slowly than a 256 MB version of the 8500GT does (even if the producer doesn't use the slower RAM than the reference 256 card's 8500GT RAM, that seems to be the usual)!

If you're going for a 512MB or more card, make sure the card has enough memory bandwidth and memory bus-width (interface) to efficiently make use of it. Often times, low-end cards sporting high VRAM amounts actually run out of memory bandwidth before even making use of the advertised amount of RAM. High amounts of VRAM are usually for running very high resolutions, but a card like the 8500GT will cripple and die in this game at something like 1680x1050 already making that VRAM mostly useless and mods like WTP3 and AEVWD will also cripple it. Also the memory interfacce (bus-width) can be revealing sometimes as well...you must question a 128-bit memory interface card that is advertised with 1GB VRAM. If you're unsure about the card you're considering, this forum is the place to ask of course for an educated guess. Here is a simple classified list of cards:

Take note of the last three digits of the model number
*000-*400: Typically low-end and not meant for gaming. Some exceptions, but avoid if possible. High VRAM gouging rampant with these, so don't be fooled.
*500-*700: Mid-range and mainstream. Decent and sufficient for the game. Some VRAM gouging here, but more recent cards are alright.
*800 and up: High-end...obviously preferable. VRAM advertised for most part efficiently used.

The recent GeForce GTX 2xx cards are a lil different and Nvidia's way of messing things up with the numbering system (again). If you own one of these cards, you're in tip-top shape as they are quite high-end. It's slowly getting to the point where new video card releases will be easily capable to run this game (ala Morrowind).

Me again:

If you want to learn more about hardware and computer parts, http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=258050 great thread from Othilien will help you with that.

If you want us to "Build" you a PC or shop for one, please indicate the following:
1.) your budget in your country's currency
2.) what country you reside if not listed in your avatar area
3.) pre-assembled PC? ...or can you build your own?
4.) what is needed other than the PC tower? Monitor, speakers, mouse, keyboard, Windows OS disc? All these can jack up the price.
5.) product preferences, preferred seller, and intended aim if it matters to you.
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Post » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:59 pm

2. Oblivion installing issues and tips for a successful install of the game

2.1 My computer won't read the Oblivion disc.

Oblivion comes on a DVD-disc, which requires a DVD-ROM. It won't work on a CD-Rom, so if you don't have a DVD-rom you'll have to purchase it, I believe they are about 20$ for an online purchase. If you do have a DVD-Rom, its likely to be malfunctioning. Check if other DVDs work on it. If not, its probably broken. If they do work, check if your Oblivion disc works on other computers. It also may be a damaged DVD. If the Oblivion DVD can't be read on the computer at all but can be read on other computers, then this might indicate that something that uses StarForce copy-restriction has been installed. If this is the case, remove Starforce drivers with http://www.star-force.com/protection.phtml?c=70. If you want to play starforce protected games later, just run them and they will reinstall the starforce drivers.

2.2 Setup won't run, when exploring the DVD it only shows setup.ins

This is mostly caused by Roxio burning software. To fix it, you do not have to uninstall Roxio, just the Drag To Disk Feature. Or, just stop it from loading with Windows in MSCONFIG. Its also possible that Nero In-CD software causes it, the fix method still stands.

2.3 I am getting an Installshield error while installing the game.

To fix this, go in folder C:/Program Files/Common Files and rename Installshield folder, and run the installation again.

2.4 I am getting CRC (Cycle Redundancy Check) errors while installing the game.

This problem shows mostly when your DVD is dirty, you are running an interfering backgroud program, or your DVD-ROM is for some reason not reading it very well. In most cases, this simple procedure should do the trick:

Enter Windows Safe Mode, by hitting F8 when computer starts. Once you enter Safe Mode, hit start, then run. Type %temp% and hit enter. Temporary files folder will be shown, with various files in it. Delete everything, and close it. Now, explore Oblivion DVD and run setup.exe. Installation should go smoothly now, if your DVD-ROM works fine.

It is also possible your DVD is damaged, in that case you'll have to swap it for a new one.

2.5 Install won't finish, had to force terminate it.

Installation might hang a few minutes in the end, I waited 5-10 minutes and it ended. Force ending it will likely cause problems with uninstalling, maybe even with the game, so don't do it. For uninstalling problems, check the FAQ section which covers it.
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Post » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:29 am

3. Problems and error messages when starting Oblivion

3.1 I am getting an error message/black box when attempting to run Oblivion.

A rather common problem usually caused by lacking and unsupported hardware, more accurately, graphics card. Mostly by Geforce MX cards and Intel IGP's. You can see the list of unsupported cards below. For those, there is no workarounds and you'll just have to buy a new, supported graphics card.

I have the supported hardware and I still get an error message when attempting to run Oblivion.

This is most likely caused by some software you have, or the disk is fragmented, so defragment it. Make sure if you have a HP Printer, that its unplugged. One member had this issue until he upgraded his BIOS, after that the game just ran fine, so that is a possible fix. You can find the BIOS for your board at your motherboard manufacturer's web-site. Note that this is a potentially harmful procedure, and you are doing it on your own responsibility.
If after uninstalling software/hardware that might have caused this, the problem still persists, it would probably be wise to do a clean reformat and a Windows reinstall (best, and the last solution).

3.2 I am getting a white screen/crash to desktop after the intro movie (character creation screen)

The white screen is also caused by lacking hardware, more accurately, shader 2.0 card. This includes: Radeon 8500, 9000, 9100, 9200, 9250 with all suffixes, and Geforce 3 and 4 Titanium cards. This can be solved by either buying a new graphics card, or downloading and running http://www.oldblivion.com, which reduces Shaders to 1.1, and downgrades a couple of other features, to make it runable for older cards.

If it crashes at character creation screen, see the fixes under 'Random Crashes' sections below, concerning codecs, drivers and page file usage.

3.3 Unsupported GPU list, and possible workarounds for some.

1. Unsupported graphics card list:

ATI cards:

1. Will never run the game: ATI Rage cards, Radeon 7000, 7200, 7500
2. Will run only with Oldblivion: Radeon 8500, 9000, 9100, 9200, 9250

nvidia cards:

1. Will never run the game: all Geforce 2, Geforce 4 MX
2. Will run only with Oldblivion: Geforce 3 & 4 Ti
3. Cards that may work, but seriously need help with Oldblivion and/or the Official Patch (available at the main site): All Geforce FX cards, Geforce 6100, Geforce 6200 TC & TD

Intel graphic chips:


The Intel 965 Express and above chipsets seem to be capable of running the game with the latest drivers (enables Hardware T&L), but don't expect great performance. http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=868166&hl= is a thread that may help you if you own this specific chip amd are having problems.

Possible workaround is Oldblivion with the Intel 9xx IGPs lower than the 965...good luck is all I have to say in that regard. Research the Oldblivion forums for your specific chipset for some hopeful solutions.

For Intel 8xx IGPs, forget it.

http://www.oldblivion.com/?page=docs&title=Supported+Cards

Sis/Matrox Parhelia solutions simply won't run the game (may get lucky with SiS 760)

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4. Problems within the game (low performance, glitches, bugs, CTDs (crashes to desktop), blue screens, computer restarting.

4.1 Crash to desktop when entering sewers.

This is most often connected with using one of FX cards combined with too old drivers (or too new?). Mostly FX5200 and FX5500. To fix this, either run the official patch (found at the main site) or http://www.oldblivion.com to downgrade graphical settings. Also, download http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_81.98.html for FX cards. Make sure you uninstall the old ones. If this doesn't fix it, use one of the fixes listed below for random crashes.

4.2 Very low framerate (FPS) after exiting sewers.

Outdoors graphics is alot more stressful for your graphics card than dungeons and other interiors. This may cause bad framerate if you have a slow card. Most oftenly, this is again connected with FX cards, which, after entering a dense Shader 2.0 area, begin to literally crawl. Solution is the same as above, download official patch, lower graphical settings, download the latest drivers (this goes also for low level ATI GPUs, such as Radeon 9500, 9550, 9600 vanilla, X200, X300, X500, X600 plain, X1300, X1400, and nvidia GPUs, such as Geforce FX series, 6200TC and TD, 6600 plain, 7300 (not GT), 7400) For those, lower graphical settings, download latest drivers from nvidia.com and ati.com, and follow the tweaks listed below.

4.3 Random Crashes To Desktop (CTDs)

This is probably the biggest issue of the game, and can be caused by numerous things.
First, make sure any of unofficial mods aren't causing this. For this, see 6.2 Conflicting/malfunctioning unofficial mods.

Second, if you are running any background apps, they will likely to cause problems with the game. Its best to use the clean boot procedure when you are running Oblivion: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/331796/

Next, drivers. Its important you have updated video, sound and (any) motherboard drivers.
Places to download video drivers:
For ATI: http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html
For nvidia: http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp

Places to download audio drivers:
Realtek: http://www.realtek.com.tw/
CreativeLabs: http://us.creative.com/support/downloads/
C-Media: http://www.cmedia.com.tw/?q=en/driver
SoundMAX: http://forms.anolog.com/Form_Pages/soundMAX/soundMAXtechSupport.html
Terratec: http://supporten.terratec.net/index.php?name=EZCMS&page_id=17&menu=538

You can find your motherboard drivers at your chipset/motherboard manufacturer web-site, or you probably got the CD with drivers.

And, download the latest version of Directx 9.0c from http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2da43d38-db71-4c1b-bc6a-9b6652cd92a3&DisplayLang=en

One thing Oblivion is especially sensitive about, is codecs and codec packs. If you have any codec pack, its best to uninstall it for the time being, just to see if thats whats causing the crashes.
Also, Nero codecs have been known to cause problems within the game. To delete the unnecesary codecs, and keep the good burning software, delete the following folder: C:/Program Files/Common Files/Ahead/DSFilter

To get rid of non-windows codecs all together, you can use http://nightmare2013.brashendeavors.net/. It will leave only windows default codecs, which should work fine with Oblivion (see his word on it for more info, also, there is a thread about it http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=266291)

Some other useful tips to get rid of random crashes:
  • Scan your system with anti-virus (such as Avast or AVG anti-virus) and anti-spyware (such as Spybot Search & Destroy or Ad-Aware SE Personal)
  • Run a disk defrag
  • Clean your temporary files folder (Start>Run>%temp%>delete everything in there)
  • If you have on-board audio, I'd recommend getting a real sound card, something like Soundblaster Audigy.
  • Rename/Delete the oblivion.ini located in My Documents/My Games/Oblivion
  • Turn off vsync in Options
  • Turn off write combine in Control Panel>Display>Settings>Advanced>Troubleshooting
  • Turn down sound hardware acceleration one notch in DXDIAG>Sound
  • Turn off HDR
  • Rule out heating issues by aiming a room fan at the inside of the case while playing (see more about hardware overheating in 4.5)
  • Rule out other gpu-psu-hardware issues by seeing if the same error occurs when running in 640x480, low textures, all sliders off/low (just for diagnosing, see more in 4.5 about hardware issues)
  • If you have an AGP card, try setting bios/setup (F1 or DEL key at reboot) to 4X AGP speed as a test.
  • Uninstall & Reinstall (without the patch, then with)
  • Put Windows Media Player as your default MP3 player
Also, it has been reported that some drivers, such as ATI Catalyst 6.8 drivers, can cause random crashes in game. To fix this, switch to a older/newer version. Its possible that the newer versions will also have such problems, its always good to try different drivers.

If nothing here helped you with your crashes, check other crash-related questions here, or post your problem in Oblivion Hardware & Software Issues Forum, with a full dxdiag. To post a dxdiag, click Start, then Run. Type dxdiag and hit enter. After it loads, click Save All Information, save it on dekstop, open it and copy paste the content to your post. And please post everything.

4.4 CTDs when loading cells

Basicly, everything goes same as for random crashes. Clean boot, driver update, codec reset etc.
Also, you might rule out RAM malfunction by running http://www.memtest.org//

4.5 Crash to desktop/BSOD(blue screen)/computer restart after few minutes of playing


This issue is almost always connected to a hardware part malfunctioning and/or overheating. However, by default, XP is set to restart with Driver crashes. To Rule out driver related reasons, it would be wise to start by deactivating automatic reboot on system failure to properly diagnose the problem.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/russel_02may13.mspx

Three most common issues are: Processor (CPU) overheating, Graphics card (GPU) overheating, or Power Supply (PSU) not delivering enough power, which causes restarts. Other issues also include malfunctioning memory, which you can check with Memtest86 posted in above question 4.4.

To check CPU/GPU temperatures, download and install http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html. You can also check GPU temperatures in various control panels, such as ATI Catalyst Control Center, ATI Tray Tools or nvidia Coolbits.
You can check CPU temperature in BIOS, but that won't help you much since it will show the idling temperature, which can grow more than 20 degrees when in game.
To check the real CPU/GPU temperature, open Everest Home Edition while running Oblivion (you can switch tasks with ALT+TAB) and read out the temperature thats now under stress.
Anything above 65 degrees Celsius for processors isn't good, and above 90 for most graphic cards can cause problems.

Solution to both problems are improving cooling. First, clean the dust from both fans, and CPU heatspreader, and rub it with some thermal paste (obtainable at your local hardware shop). If this doesn't help you much, its best to buy some alternative cooling. Look for coolers (both CPU and GPU) from Zalman, Arctic Cooling, Thermaltake or Coolermaster.

Next, your power supply. Too weak or malfunctioning PSU (Power Supply Unit) is often an issue, because most people are looking to buy a low-budet low-quality high-wattage PSU, thinking it will be more than enough. This is where the troubles start. PSU is one of the most important parts in your computer, and if its not a quality unit, it can cause a lot of problems and even damage other parts.
Most often the issue with unsufficient PSUs is a computer reboot, because it can't offer the power amount your parts require under a maximum stress, such as Oblivion. The best solution is to throw that low-quality unit through the window, and start shopping for something more reputable, better quality.

When looking to buy PSU's, there are several important thing you have to look at. Most important is PSU brand, and its amperage (how much power is it delivering) on the 12v rail. Less important is the wattage, which you can calculate for your computer with this http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp.

With brands, there are those recommended, and those to avoid at all cost. You can read a good article about it http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1045259.

Next, driver conflicts. This issue can be also caused by malfunctioning or conflicting drivers. The best procedure would be to download http://www.drivercleaner.net/professional.php, and with it uninstall all video drivers, and then install new ones (you can find driver links in part 4.3). All that in Windows Safe Mode (hit F8 repeatedly when computer starts).
Also, try switching between driver versions, to see if your card responds better to some.

And, in the end, if nothing of the above helps you, you might have a malfunctioning graphics card, which is not so rare, especially with some overclocked versions of 7600GT and 7900GT cards from eVGA, XFX and other manufacturers that make stock overclocks. Those cards are usually broken, but see if underclocking them to stock values help. In the end, if you have a warranty, you can return it and get a new one.

4.6 Odd graphical glitches/artifacts/weapon flickering

Artifacting, odd colors and other graphical anomalies are most often caused by overheating or malfunctioning graphics card. For overheating you can buy one of Arctic Cooling or Zalman GPU coolers, which normaly work much better than stock coolers.
Malfunctioning graphics card can rarely be helped, your best chance is to return it for a new one if you have the warranty for it. Also, for advanced users, you might try to underclock it a bit, to see if it fixes it.

Weapon flickering/blinking
Associated with video drivers, the solution is to either reinstall your current drivers or to update new ones. Before you do, clean your old drivers with http://www.drivercleaner.net/professional.php in Safe Mode. Links to ATI and nvidia drivers are in part 4.3

4.7 Quest-related bugs and crashes


Alot of these are covered in two patches, the http://www.elderscrolls.com/downloads/updates_patches.htm (http://www.elderscrolls.com/downloads/updates_patchnotes6.htm) and Kivan and Quarn's http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=552943

Others you can solve with a console command:
  • Open the construction set and load oblivion.esm

  • go to Character > Quests...

  • in the list look for your quest
Quests are organized most of the time, but it can be pretty confuzing, if your quest is a miscalleneous one look for questnames starting with MS, fighters guild quests start with FG, mages guild quests with MG, thieves guild quests with TG and dark brotherhood quests with Dark.

If you've found your quest look at the top of the left side of the window and click the Quest Stages button. Under index you'll find the different stages, pick out the stage you need (probably the last one) and remember the number and the questname (you might have to write it down).

type this in the console to set the queststage:


SetStage questname queststage


4.8 Crash when equipping a bow stronger other than iron/steel/elven (silver, glass, ebony etc.)


Not a very common issue, this is solved by a mod brash made: http://oblivion.brashendeavors.net/mods/Bow_Reach_Fix.zip. You can read the discussion about it http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=387087

4.9 I'm getting a 'Corrupted save game' message when trying to load a saved game

Saves get corrupted when it crashes when you save a game. If you are smart and have more saves, load an older save , or to enable a save that game auto-backs up. Simply go into your saves folder (My Documents/My Games/Oblivion/Saves), and rename either autosave.bak or quicksave.bak to .ess, and load it from the game. This will likely send you back to an older save, but it should work.
And always use more save slots.

4.10 My character moves extremely slow/strafes in one direction/doesn't move.

We get atleast a few of these each day. It is caused by a controller/joystick/gamepad plugged in. Unplugg it, and set bUseJoystick=0 instead of 1 in oblivion.ini found in My Documents/My Games/Oblivion.

4.11 Black screen when enabling HDR on nVidia cards

There still isn't a fix for everyone who are experiencing it, though the solution Luchaire provided seems to work for some, and that is better than nothing. You can find the thread and possible solution http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=517690

Also, if you randomly get black screens with HDR on, try writing "CAL" into console (Clear Adapted Lighting). This might be issue with a HTFpcb mod, so deactivate that for permament fix.

4.12 Framerate decrease after playing Oblivion for a longer period/when loading cells

This happens to some users, and there is still no solution other than have all of your background apps off (use http://support.microsoft.com/kb/331796/ procedure for that), and when it gets too bad, simply reenter the game.

To fix a big framerate drop when after going from interior to exterior, simply quicksave and quickload. For players with only 512mb of RAM, writing PCB in console after cell transition might also help.

Reducing the texture size may also help. It solved it for me.

4.13 Slowdowns to 1-2FPS near Oblivion gates or some spells/magic effects with ATI cards

This happens only with Radeon X800 and lower cards, with Anti-Aliasing on. And it only happens to some (it doesn't happen for me, I run a Radeon X800XL with 6.7 Catalyst drivers, while I had that problem with some older drivers).

The permament solution for this is turning off so called Refraction Shader in oblivion.ini (My Documents/My Games/Oblivion)
Set bUseRefractionShader=0 to fix this. The tweak also produces an anomaly, black boxes with effects using those shaders (near Oblivion gates).

However, I believe when running latest ATI drivers you shouldn't be getting this issue.

4.14 In-game sound glitches/popping/crackling

Mostly connected with Realtek audio chips
To fix this, download the latest drivers for your sound device, driver links are posted in part 4.3
Also, try turning hardware acceleration slider by a notch to the left (you can find it under sound tab when you run Directx Diagnostic Tool)
Also, you might want to download the latest Directx version (microsoft.com)

Or, buy a sound card.

4.15 Can't enable HDR/Can't enable HDR and AA same time

Can't enable HDR
This option is only available for users with shader 3.0 cards:
nvidia 6000 and 7000 series
ATI X1000 series

If you have one of these and still cannot enable HDR, make sure your AA isn't on, and update video drivers.

For users with Shader 2.0 cards, there is Timeslip's http://timeslip.chorrol.com/FakeHDRDownload.html option, which gives very similar graphical effect. Discussion about can be found http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=450060&hl=fakehdr

Can't enable HDR and AA same time
This option can't be enabled by default on any card, but it can be enabled on ATI Radeon X1000 cards using http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&questionID=21960. You'll have to force AA through CCC or Tray Tools, and enable HDR in Oblivion. ATI Catalyst drivers support it from version 6.10

This can't be enabled (hardware limitation) on nvidia 6000 and 7000 series cards (G80 cards will apperantly have this option). They have the FakeHDR (posted above) + AA option, though.

4.16 Minimizing issues


Oblivion is known to crash when you ALT+TAB out of it. This might not happen with dual-core processors, but its a pretty common error. To fix this, once you ALT+TAB to desktop, use Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Delete) to switch between tasks. Crash won't happen.

If your game minimizes randomly, its probably due to a background program. Do a http://support.microsoft.com/kb/331796/ procedure to fix that.

4.17 I can't open Oblivion because of a d3dx9_27.dll error.

Caused by a too old Directx version, you can find the solution http://support.gamesas.com/asp/resolution.asp?sid=113557060917083131168246&pid=1462&pnm=Oblivion&seid=3932&pos=Windows+XP&top=Installation&rid=23513

4.18 Slow/Frozen Doors, Fire, Spell etc. animations bug.


The problem involves freezing/stuttering of secondary animations such as: fire, spell effects (on self and target), doors/gates/lids, corpse smashers, extentable bridges, traps of all kinds, fog, sparks from weapon impacts, butterflies, fireflies. Affected animations are sometimes completely frozen or PAINFULLY slow. In the case of doors, lifts, and bridges this can prevent further progress.

Current Thread and Player-made fixes for PC only (sorry Xbox crowd):
http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=813915&hl=slow/frozen+doors

Victims of the bug should go to that thread and use one of the fixes in the first post. Also, do us all a favor and send an email to bethesda's tech support (link provided in first post as well) detailing the problem and linking the thread. They have YET to acknowledge the problem...so the more people that do it, hopefully the better the chances they finally will do something about it in the future.

4.19 I can't use the cheat console and I am using Windows Media Center Edition.

You need to unplug the receiver for your remote control:
http://vgstrategies.about.com/od/pccheatst/a/OblivionMediaPC.htm

Also, open My Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Oblivion.ini (it is the Configuration File named "Oblivion") and make sure bAllowConsole is set to 1. You can do a quick search for the term using CTRL+F.

If you're using Vista and still having problems, check out http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927824/enMS Knowledge Base article (thanks to TheCrux).

4.20 I want to use my X360 controller for my PC, but it's not working well.

Check this thread:
http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=565651

4.21 My mouse/keyboard becomes nonfunctional after 5-10 minutes.

This has become a very frequent problem as of late, likely having to do with codec issues. Here is an ongoing thread with suggestions and possible solutions such as setting the latest Media Player 10 as the default for mp3 files to using a utility such as the K-Lite Codec Pack.
http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=506165&st=40

Read posts #14 and #23 in particular or just read the whole thread. And here is the link for the K-Lite Codec pack:
http://www.codecguide.com/

It's likely that Nightmare's Codec Reset Utility does the same thing as K-Lite's

4.22 Enemy is always following me, but I don't see anything/anyone, and I can't sleep to level up.

Common case/bug/glitch from leaving enemies behind that have seen you. The most surefire way to get out of this situation:

1.) Go to your safehouse and store your stolen valuables in your chests. Save.
2.) Go into any town and hit a guard...yes, hit him, and then agree to go to jail. Do the time and when you get out, the enemy's "radar" will be reset and you're free.

4.23 Why have several of my skills reset after using showracemenu function in the console to change my character's features?

Many of you may want to change your character's looks later on in the game after the initial sewer exit adjustments. The showracemenu function allows you to do this, but will reset many of your skills if you ever press "Done" after adjusting your character. Why? I don't know. You must be careful with this...the correct way to change you character's features using the showracemenu:

1.) Save your game first. Make a seperate manual save.
2.) Open console (~) and type showracemenu
2.) Make your changes
3.) After making your changes and with the console still open, hit ESC and make another manual save.
4.) Then load up that new save and check your stats/skills and make sure they're the same.

Whatever you do, DO NOT EVER press Done. If you already screwed this up, hopefully you have a save you can revert back to. Otherwise you will have to use other console cheats to get your stats back up and it's a rather tedious process.


4.24 Bloom enhancing/performance tweaks/useful mods and tweaks

I won't make this long since soon there will be a whole dedicated topic about it, or so I'm told ;)

Bloom enhancing


Under [BlurShader] part in your .ini you'll find lines with which you can enhance the bloom effect

More accurately, twiddle with these values to increase it.
fAlphaAddExterior=0.2000 (How much bright things mix with surrounding colors.)
fAlphaAddInterior=0.7000 (increases bloom brightness)

After increasing those values, your sky will probably be to bright. To decrease its brightness, lower this setting:

fSkyBrightness=0.0100 (makes sky less effected by the blooming)

Also, there is the http://timeslip.chorrol.com/FakeHDRDownload.html option (by Timeslip and the crew)

Performance tweaks

For tweaking oblivion.ini, you can use tweak guide from http://www.tweakguides.com/Oblivion_1.html

Useful mods and utilities

One of best mods for framerate gain is http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=507506&hl=low+poly+grass mod, if you're using grass, ofcourse. Big FPS increase.

Also, Timeslip's http://timeslip.chorrol.com/obmm_download.html can be of much help if you have alot of mods.

Also, for handling your saves, http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=OblivionUtilities.Detail&id=3
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Post » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:23 pm

5. Uninstallation Issues

5.1 I'm getting error messages while trying to uninstall the game.

With setup.dll error messages when attempting to uninstall the game, the most common solution is just to explore Oblivion DVD, and run setup.exe. However, even this doesn't work sometimes. Why do these errors happen? I'll use Simbelmyne's explanation when installing the game:

Allow the game time to finish installing (sometimes five to ten minutes) after the "Would you like to see the read me?" prompt. While it may seem to "lock up" at this point, do not manually exit, as stopping it prematurely is what causes this uninstallation issue later on.


Anyways, at this point you will have to manually delete Oblivion files, and Oblivion registry files. You can find all Oblivion files in C:/Program Files/Bethesda Softworks/Oblivion and My Documents/My Games/Oblivion.


An extensive uninstall guide provided by JDFan

Make sure you are installing it on an Administrator account, not local user

1.) Copy any saved games that you want to keep to a new folder (create a new folder and copy or move C:\Documents and Settings\Username\My Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Saves folder into it using Explorer)

2.) Copy and save any Mods that you want to keep (Or as a better alternative redownload the mods that you want to install - this will ensure that you get clean installs of them also including any updates since the last install)

3.) Set a system restore Point - To do this: Go to START - Help and support - Under "Pick a Task", select "Undo changes to your computer with SYSTEM RESTORE", then check create a restore point and follow the steps. (this is just in case something goes wrong you can restore your system to this point - should not be needed but better safe than sorry)

** Note for steps 4 through 9 if the file or folder is not there skip to the next step **

4.) Go to Add/remove programs and uninstall Oblivion (If it shows on the list). If the add/remove procedure results in an error - skip to the next step and continue as it will still remove the game with the remaining steps.

5.) After or If the uninstall finishes go to Start - Run - type regedit - hit Enter - click on the + sign next to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, click on the + sign next to SOFTWARE, click on the + sign next to BETHESDA SOFTWORKS, right click on Oblivion (if it is still there) and then delete.

6.)Now still in Regedit find HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\{35CB6715-41F8-4F99-8881-6FC75BF054B0} and delete it the same way you deleted oblivion in the last step.(If it is still there - this is the uninstall key for add\remove programs)

7.)close regedit.

8.)Go into explorer find the C:\Program Files\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion folder (if it is still there) and delete it.

9.)find the folder C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME\My Games\Oblivion (Substitute your username for USERNAME) and delete it (Again if it is still there)

By doing this it will delete all traces of the game from your computer .

Tig here again...If for some odd reason this still doesn't work, then you can try a method I used to resort to:

If deleting the stuff from the registry doesn't work or you're still getting uninstallation errors, one way that I used to get around it was to go into Safe Mode and run the setup.exe file from the disc. IIRC it asks you if you want to reinstall the game...so go ahead and reinstall it. Then after it's done, click on the Oblivion icon again and try the uninstall option and see if it works. Strange and tedious process, but it used to work for me every time.


How to get into Safe Mode? Most surefire way: Start - Run (if Vista, use the Search box) - type msconfig - hit Enter - click on the BOOT.INI tab - check the box for /SAFEBOOT - restart.

To get back into Normal Boot, just go through the msconfig again and in the first window that pops up, just check "Normal Startup" and restart again.
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6. Official/Unofficial Mod (plugin) or patch related Issues

6.1 Can't install official mods

First off, if this section doesn't solve your issues with installing/activating official plugins, contact Bethesda support:

For technical and customer support, please call 410-568-3685, 9:00 am to 5:00 pm EST Monday through Friday, excluding holidays, visit http://support.gamesas.com, or email support@gamesas.com.


Further, note that official mods won't run on 64-bit Windows XP, and for plugins starting from Mehrune's Razor and all to follow, you'll need to install the official patch (you can find it at the main site)

So, to fix the hanging installation, enter Safe Mode with Networking, by hitting F8 when the computer starts, and run it from there. Installation may take a while, wait atleast 20 minutes before calling it dead. Same goes for activating it.

6.2 Conflicting/malfunctioning unofficial mods


The best fix is to just delete all mod files you are suspicious about (not just untick them in data menu.

But its best to ask this in http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showforum=25 forum, where people have better knowledge and experience with various unofficial mods and their issues.

Furthermore, you might ask the mod creator about the problem, their contact e-mail is often listed within the Readme file you usually get with the mod.

One of the very productive members here, Kivan, has made a great little list with problems of some more famous unofficial mods, so, with his blessing (for which I'm grateful, keep up the great work), I'll use it: CCNA Edit - Unfortunately, this thread has fallen off the forums.

6.3 Official Patch Issues

While downloading and installing the official patch, you must make sure you are downloading the correct version. So, one for UK version for US and vice-versa, same goes for localized patches.

Currently there are US, UK, German, French Spanish and Italian patches, and you can find them http://www.elderscrolls.com/downloads/updates_patches.htm (this might change by the time you're reading this). Note that none of them will work with Direct2Drive version of the game. You can find Direct2Drive patch http://www.direct2drive.com/patches/index.aspx.

Bethesda is still working on the rest of the localized patches, please use http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=516539 thread to discuss about it.

Update: patches for all versions are out now

Possible Fix for DLC's and Vista. This is needed if you get the CD version. The CD Installer will run on XP64 (and maybe Vista64?)

To anyone running Vista I figured out a work around.

Install Virtual PC 2007 from Microsoft (it's free) https://connect.microsoft.com/programdetails.aspx?ProgramDetailsID=874

Install XP and install Oblivion. Then install whichever plug-ins you have. Afterwards go to the Oblivion Data directory in Program Files. Copy the files that were added (e.g. the .bsa and .esp files) to your Oblivion Data directory in Vista and bam! it works.


Read http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=477081&view=findpost&p=9064942 to install the patch correctly.

6.4 Official Patch 1.2 - Issues and fixes

By Stormfox:

The "Black Screen of Death" in which Oblivion will lock up your system and die when you enact an interior/exterior cell change is being caused by an issue between Oblivion v1.2 and nVidia's Release 90 Forceware Drivers, mostly in regards to the 93.71 version.

Installing a newer driver seems to resolve the issue. However, as the current WHQL Forceware Drivers for the 6- and 7- series of GeForce is still at 93.71, the most recent one you can get is the "hacked" nVidia Forceware 158.16 version, which was released for the 8- series, but made to work on the 6- and 7- series without issue.

You can download them here:
http://www.tweaksrus.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=847&Itemid=1

The "Old File Not Found" issue is caused by the regional versions of the Oblivion.exe and the v1.2 Patch not matching up. For example, the v1.2 (UK) patch will not update a (US) Oblivion.exe, while the v1.2 (US) patch will not update the (UK) Oblivion.exe.

Luchaire:

It can also be caused by other circumstances:

- using a hacked or no-DVD oblivion.exe
- having altered oblivion.esm somehow
- having altered any of the 19 shader package files, either intentionally (replacing one with another, for instance) or unintentionally (using a mod like Timeslip's nighteye shader replacement, or the Depth of Field mod, or any of probably a half dozen others).

Stormfox:

If you have a UK version of Oblivion, you need the (UK) v1.2 patch from the official www.elderscrolls.com site. If you have the US version, you need the (US) v1.2 patch from the same location.
It should also be noted that the Shivering Isles (All Languages) patch will not update an Oblivion.exe made with the downloadable 1.2 patch. It will only update the Oblivion.exe patch made by the Shivering Isles installation, which contains a slightly modified version of 1.2 with the overall installation.

To Bethesda's credit, this was most likely done to prevent people from using the Shivering Isles patch without actually owning Shivering Isles. However, those of us who applied the 1.2 patch before we installed the Shivering Isles (just to be safe) found ourselves unable to use the (Beta) patch because our version of the v1.2 Oblivion.exe was made by the patch, and not by Shivering Isles.

You can resolve this issue by deleting Oblivion.exe from your [Data] folder and then reinstalling Shivering Isles again, which creates a new Oblivion.exe in the process which you can then patch.

Athanar:

Current thread on the topic is here:

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=670780

The link will probably get old quickly, so search for any newer threads.
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Post » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:56 am

Very good job on this so far and a very needed sticky thread.

One thing you might add to the uninstall issue is deleting this key as well in regedit :

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\{35CB6715-41F8-4F99-8881-6FC75BF054B0}

this is the windows key for oblivion to show up in the add\remove programs list and should be deleted when manually uninstalling.
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Post » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:26 am

Problem: game window screen goes black in-game from time to time. Solution: disable HDR or use the CAL (Clear Adaptive Light) console command when it happens. (I'm sure you can elaborate on this.) :)
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Post » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:41 pm

For those with the unsupported Intel chipsets getting the OB encountered an error and had to shut Down Microsoft error here is the Intel website game compatibility info :

This game requires a graphics adapter with hardware T&L (Transform and Lighting) support to run. The listed Intel? graphics controllers do not support hardware T&L. T&L can be done by the processor (in software) with acceptable performance in most cases, but since the game specifically checks for hardware T&L, it fails to run.


This applies to: Intel? 82845G Graphics Controller
Intel? 82852/82855 Graphics Controller Family
Intel? 82865G Graphics Controller
Intel? 82915G/82910GL Express Chipset Family
Intel? 82945G Express Chipset
Mobile Intel? 915GM/GMS, 910GML Express Chipset Family
Mobile Intel? 945GM Express Chipset Family

I believe that the new version of OLDblivion will allow these cards to bypass it but am not positive.
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Post » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:34 am

This has replaced the Older Unofficial FAQ. That thread was good, but a lot of links were to threads that no longer exist.

If you notice anything missing, PM me or one of the posters in this thread and we can get it added to this.
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Post » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:48 am

Slow/Frozen Doors, Fire, Spell etc. animations, Jittering Doors/Effects/Objects-pos FIX

CCNA Note This is a community determined solution to this issue some folks have. It works for most. However, if you search on the text above, you will find the ongoing threads.

A workaround has been found for pc users involving hex editing savegames. People using the 360, and everyone looking for a official and permanent fix, will have to wait for Bethesda to address the issue. See the "Temporary workarounds" section of this post for description and links.

The problem involves freezing/stuttering of secondary animations such as: fire, spell effects (on self and target), doors/gates/lids, corpse smashers, extentable bridges, traps of all kinds, fog, sparks from weapon impacts, butterflies, fireflies. The climix of the main quest is, by its very nature, affected as well.

Affected animations are sometimes completely frozen or PAINFULLY slow. In the case of doors, lifts, and bridges this can prevent further progress.

Overall framerate does NOT freeze/stutter and all other gameplay elements function normally ie character/npc/creature,tree, water, sky animations/movement, menu navigation, melee and magic combat (the effect of spells {damage health 10 for 2 sec} occur normally but the visual effects do not) all work fine. A high overall framerate is actually associated with a worsening of the problem.

Certain animations that one would predict to be affected are not. These include: the on target effect of the Detect Life spell and the fire animation of an equiped (on yourself or npc) torch. This needs further investigation.

Strange behaviour observed by many/all: the greater the angle between the centre of your point of view (centre of the screen) and the animation in question, the less the freezing/stuttering occurs. Also, the closer you are to the animation the worse the freezing/stuttering is.

All conceivable hardware/OS configurations/combinations, including the 360, have been affected, from obsolete to cutting edge.


Possible causes that seem to be NOT universal:

1. Savegame filesize.
2. # of items stored in containers and/or out of containers.
3. Glitch began during xxx particular quest.
4. Number of or type of locations explored. For me it started after exploring Alyeid ruins but others have encountered it without entering any ruins.
5. Use of fast-travel.
6. Constant effects on your character.
7. Savegame corruption. Some have experienced corruption when saving while the glitch is currently active, others have had virtually no obviously corrupt saves in any circumstance.
8. Usage of mods.

If this is indeed a savegame corruption issue then the savegame system in Oblivion is in need of fixing.


Possible causes that seem to be universal:

1. # of hours played. While symptoms have been observed early on by some, virtually all people begin to notice or be hindered by the problem after many (100+ and usually 200+) hours of play with a single character.
2. High overall framerate, as a cause of or symptom of the problem. Without a doubt, the problem is at it's worse when framerate is high. This is likely the most solid lead and is in need of further investigation.
3. Physics bugs. Items jiggling or "resetting" when you enter an indoor location and items falling through the floor. This is less consistent than 1 and 2 but many have reported it.


Oblivion (and Morrowind) was made using the "Gamebryo" middleware. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamebryo Could this problem be rooted in Gamebryo?


Temporary workarounds:

Hex editing a savegame (Disclaimer: there is no understanding, yet, of what the byte in question does, other than that it causes and cures the problem depending on its value).
Quote of The other Felix: "The saved game files contain a four byte sequence that appears to be be continuously incremented during play, triggering the problem when it reaches a certain value (possibly when changing from FFFFFF48 to 00000049), and with values beyond that increasing its severity. The editing consisted of decreasing the value of the last byte in that sequence by using a hex editor on an affected save. I suspect that the problem will reappear once the 'magic' value is reached again, but that can probably be delayed indefinitely by further editing. Read post 36 of this thread(#5) for intructions."


Here are 3 programs that will change the value (listed in order of first posting) :
1. RenderFred's program will modify all saves at once if you so choose http://renderfred.free.fr/oblivion/OBSAF.zip (see post #4, thread V for more info)
2. Here is a program by Stoffe -mkb- (post #92, thread IV) http://www.algonet.se/~stoffe/SaveFix.zip Link is broken, I am leaving it as you may be able to find it with the information given
3. zBobG's program (see post #64, thread V) can be used to examine, as well as fix, the byte http://www.tessource.net/files/file.php?id=5127
4. For advanced users, Wrye's program, http://wrye.ufrealms.net/, has, among its many features, a function for resetting the byte. See post #6, thread V.


Hot Key switching of weapons and equipment or changing from 1st to 3rd person view, may help temporarily speed up doors opening or aid in slow animation sequences completing.
Casting a spell may help temporarily speed up slow/frozen doors, platforms, etc.
The .ini setting fAnimationMult=1.1 (or higher-default is 1.0) seems to fix it, but causes other issues.
Use tcl (noclip) in the console to fly through/to where you want to go.
Look away from the affected animation.

Reloading a save made before the issue began invariably results in it's re-appearance, usually around the same game/real time point at which it first started.

Here's a (abbreviated) list of questions one of our fellow sufferers put together that may help find a commonality/solution:

1. Do you recall experiencing any other very unusual graphical glitches, physics bugs, etc?

2. What CPU/memory/video card do you have?

3. What resolution/options do you usually use (especially around the time the glitch started)?

4. Any mods that you have installed that might affect this?

5. Anything unusual about your hardware/software/os/configuration/playstyle that most people probably do not/do have?

6. Under what circumstances does the problem seem to be at its worse and least?

7. Please feel free to suggest any other questions you think might be good to ask to help ferret out a common cause for this glitch.

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Post » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:36 pm

Getting Oblivion to Run on Mobile Intel 965 Express Notebooks

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Like many many people i was once told that i would never get oblivion running on my laptop which has a Moblie Intel? 965 Express Chipset. Then i was told that i might get it to run with oldblivion. Then it was i might get to run without anything, but it would be so bad graphicly and so much stuttering that it wouldnt be playable. Now i have proved all them wrong, getting my card to run at around 20 FPS consistently, without any third party programs like oldblivion or 3d anolyze, just three preformance mods.

How did i do this, it has to do with the amazing v15.9.0.1472 patch that Intel made for a range of its integrated chipsets. After getting this patch the game would run but it was very bad quality and the stuttering was really bad, like i had been told. I had given up for a few months but recently i started up my mod pixelivion, and thru that i began testing and trying to get oblivion working on my laptop again. Now i have achieve a playable standard for the game.

The chipset is pretty reliant on the RAM power so the better you have of it the better your preformance will be but, on my shoddy laptop i only had 1 gig of RAM (which vista likes to chew on). Therefore i had to use three mods to help my preformance, Streamline (the ULIMATE preformance mod), Oblivion Polygon Overhaul and my own Pixelivion, i had streamline set to preformance on its list. I had my graphics set to medium at the lowest resolution (640x480), but i can still play at 800x600, and it looks TONS better then too, but that your preferance, preformance over quality. This all gives me a good alround FPS, heres a table:



So in a nutshell:

Prestarting: Install Oblivion and patch it to v1.2.0416
You can download the lastest patch from http://www.elderscrolls.com/downloads/updates_patches.htm, simply find the right oe for your game and region. THIS IS NOT NEEDED FOR THOSE WITH THE GAME OF THE YEAR EDITION.

1. Download and install the latest drivers (Current: v15.12.2.1637) from the http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Default.aspx?lang=eng

1-1. For people with Dell computers:
Dell has a habit of using this card in their laptops, but they have some problem with the Intel drivers. So if you download the Intel one, it won't install. But Dell has decided not to update the drivers ever, or at lest since about April 2007. Never fear, I found a solution!

1-2. Before you start make sure you already have the Intel Driver on your destop or other easy access folder, this is important. To install the Intel Drivers you must first uninstall the Dell Drivers that you have. To do this right click on my computer and select 'manage'. When it open, click on 'device manager' in the sidebar thingy on the left. Then open up 'display devices' and right click on the intel device, hit unistall. After its done the resolution will change to 480x640 resolution, then go and run the Intel driver setup and follow the promts and your done!

1-3. Sometimes this can cause incompatibilities, i found that if you have the Intel driver installed you can then installing the Dell Driver, it retains the updates from Intel but get the compatibilities back from Dell. UNCONFIRMED on any other computer.

2. Download and install OBSE from http://obse.silverlock.org/ (So that Streamline can run)

3. Download and install Streamline from http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10400

4. Load up the game with streamline running at Low graphics setting (set in the lancher > option menu)

5. Test a game (or start a new one), setting the Streamline to your preferance (i used 'Preformance').

6. There shouldnt be too much stuttering at this level of graphics, but if there is skip to step 10 and ignore turning it up to medium.

7. Now turn it up to 800x600 resolution, has the stuttering gotten to unplayable levels, if so then you can turn it back down to low and fiddle with other setting or you can add more preformance mods.

8. Now you want to improve the stuttering a bit, well i have some suggestions fo you. There are many polygon replacers out there, the best are in http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=718322here, but i have to suggest these:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=6981
http://oblivionmodgods.de/rpg-blackdragons-lowpolytrees-t245.html
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=12280
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10400 (of course)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10510
Install these and test again.

9. In testing, has the stuttering gone yet? if it is you can finish now and muck with the graphics a bit more, but if ou're after a bit more then you can do what i did.

10. Turn your graphic up to medium in the lancher, set the resolution to 800x600 and turn on distant trees. Load it up in-game, there should be a ton of stuttering, if not you can fiddle more you're self and thanks the gods your computer is nice to you. If it is stuttering close the game and get Pixelivion, my texture pack.

11. This does down-grade the graphic a bit, but it still looks good in most place and is better the having it a low. Install these and see what happens. The stutting should have stopped enough to be playable. I do suggest you turn off grass as it can be annoying and it is a major slow down, sett the tree distant to about 1/4 (not too much change anyway) and turn the item and NPCs up to about 3/4 or 4/5. This i what i had but you might need different.

12. You should now be all good now, if you prefer the other way before then you can revert back to it by unistalling Pixelivion and setting the graphic back.

This will work with the 965 chipset and may work with others like it, but its hit and miss. This has not been an attempt to promote my mod or anything, its just that i came across all this when i was making pixelivion and it is also a good mod to help with preformance on these chipsets. So yah, dont acuse me of doing that.

Ah-Yes, before i forget again, i made a video for pixelivion so anyone who follows this and get the same result can see what i ended up with and compare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf1bx8fl9ls
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