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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:21 pm

Hey all,

This is something that's been bouncing around my head for some time, and I'd like your take on it. Firstly, why do the BoS never use T-51b, and secondly where did all this T-45d come from?

My questions were sparked by the Pitt expansion, where we find that the Brotherhood used T-45d during their mission there. The mission was done on the way to DC, which suggests Lyons and his detachment were packing T-45d from the offset. This doesn't make sense, however, as all the Brotherhood Paladins on the west coast (and in Mojave for that matter) use T-51b as standard.

So, what are your theories as to why we never see T-51b used by the Brotherhood in Fallout 3?
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Post » Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:34 am

It could be that Elder Lyons prefers the T-45b, or it could be that there are fewer T-51bs on the east coast, so there are less to be used for repairs. Actually I have the same issue with the assault rifle. Why are there so many G-3s in Washington DC? and for that matter why is the G3 doing less damage than a AK-47? And for that matter why is it that the hunting rifle uses a pistol round?
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Post » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:20 am

It could be that Elder Lyons prefers the T-45b, or it could be that there are fewer T-51bs on the east coast, so there are less to be used for repairs. Actually I have the same issue with the assault rifle. Why are there so many G-3s in Washington DC? and for that matter why is the G3 doing less damage than a AK-47? And for that matter why is it that the hunting rifle uses a pistol round?

If T-45d is all they could find in DC, then that makes sense... but it still doesn't explain why they were using T-45d before they even arrived in Washington! As I said, the Pitt has two suits of T-45d, and at least one of them is from the Brotherhood's initial attack, which took place before they set up in the Citadel.

Nor does it explore why there aren't even any 'broken' suits of T-51b lying around... if you look at the Hidden Outpost in New Vegas, they have 'broken' T-45d lying around. It's virtually useless, but it's still there...
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Post » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:12 am

It could be that Elder Lyons prefers the T-45b, or it could be that there are fewer T-51bs on the east coast, so there are less to be used for repairs. Actually I have the same issue with the assault rifle. Why are there so many G-3s in Washington DC? and for that matter why is the G3 doing less damage than a AK-47? And for that matter why is it that the hunting rifle uses a pistol round?


The Assault Rifle isn't a G3, it looks to me more like a SVT-40 to me.. But Im not 100% sure, it may be a G3..

Anyway, bullets are bullets. There are certain rounds, like the .32 cal, the 9mm, and several other types. Most bullets can fit into another gun which carries the same type of bullet. Meaning most .45 rounds will fit in any gun that holds .45 bullets.

The DPS of an AK-47 is generally much higher than that of a G3 anyway. G3 packs more of a punch though, as I believe they hold larger rounds. In real life atleast. I don't know if CoD agrees. :P
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:32 pm

The Assault Rifle isn't a G3, it looks to me more like a SVT-40 to me.. But Im not 100% sure, it may be a G3..

Anyway, bullets are bullets. There are certain rounds, like the .32 cal, the 9mm, and several other types. Most bullets can fit into another gun which carries the same type of bullet. Meaning most .45 rounds will fit in any gun that holds .45 bullets.

The DPS of an AK-47 is generally much higher than that of a G3 anyway. G3 packs more of a punch though, as I believe they hold larger rounds. In real life atleast. I don't know if CoD agrees. :P

It’s neither G3 nor Ak47 as both uses 7.62mm ammo, G3 is actually more powerful as it uses the full length 7.62mm nato same as in medium machine guns. Ak47 uses a shorter cartridge than 7.62 nato. G3 is more powerful but has to much recoil to be very practical in bursts mode.

In the game all assault rifles use 5.56mm ammo like M16 or M4, The Chinese assault rifle is most like the Russian Ak74 who is a newer weapon Ak47 and use 5.56 mm.
As I understand the default assault rile was issued to the National Guard and sold to civilians. The army had shifted to laser or plasma weapons while the Chinese still used assault rifles, guess that many of the Chinese weapons in the wasteland was loot from operation anchorage.
The US assault rifle was probably a generation behind the Chinese one, but not upgraded because of the shift to energy weapons.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:35 pm

According to the Fallout Wikia, the Chinese Assault Rifles in the Capital Wasteland were put there for Chinese Operatives and/or Filth Columnists to use.

Given there are quite a few locations with Chinese elements in (dead and Ghoulified), it makes sense that people would have found their weapon stockpiles and used them for their own devices.
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Post » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:05 am

Anyway, bullets are bullets. There are certain rounds, like the .32 cal, the 9mm, and several other types. Most bullets can fit into another gun which carries the same type of bullet. Meaning most .45 rounds will fit in any gun that holds .45 bullets.


Actually I'm not refering to bullets, i'm reffering to the entire round. A rifle round is not the same as a pistol round. Rifle rounds are typically (though not always) pointed at the end, and they have a longer cartridge what I mean is that a rfile round would not fit inside a pistol. From what I can find there are at least ten different kinds of .32 caliber rounds, ranging from pistol to rifle. I'm just saying it seems strange to me.

I guess the other big beef I have with ammo is that both the Chinese Assualt Rifle and the American Assault Rifle use the same round. This seems strange because in the entire history of assault rifles niehter side has ever agreed to the same type of ammunition. (for a good reason, you don't want to produce ammo for your enemy) So I'm probably nit picking but this just bugs me.
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