I'm sure most of us can agree that Daggerfall had the most likely size for the game world out of the entire series. So, I got to thinking what a mod for Morrowind that resizes the game world to be on a similar scale to that of Daggerfall would be like.

So, if such a mod existed, would you play it? How different do you think it would be from the regular game?

For one, if such a mod existed, I would play it to death, as it would take the game of Morrowind and make that much more epic and awesome. It would also make for one hell of an awesome roleplay to walk from Mournhold to Red Mountain on a sort of pilgrimage or something

However, such a mod would take years to make and would likely, unless it has about 5x the support that Tamriel Rebuilt has (if not more), never be finished.

If such a mod existed I would also play it to death. But it would take a crazy amount of time for one person to complete such a project without a large team I'd bet.

i always wonder why people make new continents rather that perfect the current one.
intense as bro!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ALySsPXt0 I triple dog dare you.

yeh PLEASE DO IT! and if u do i might help??! always wanted to redo the west gash

This looks promising
http://www.projectmanager.f2s.com/morrowind/TESAnnwyn/index.html

A bit more pictures of the aforementioned project (long gone, dead & forgotten) by Lightwave. Note that it's converted to Oblivion.
http://projectmanager.f2s.com/morrowind/2x2/index.html

Here's what happens when normal size objects are placed on quadrupled terrain:
http://projectmanager.f2s.com/morrowind/2x2/MW_2x2_Balmora0.jpg

A few thoughts: Convert the supersized terrain to Oblivion, then use it's region generation feature to automatically place trees, bushes and whatnot, then convert back and replace objects with morrowind equivalents or stuff made by vurt for example (and ask zackg for instructions). Cut out the supersized towns and villages, put in the normal sized ones, then fill out the empty ring that's left with something that blends them in. Fix and clutter up the wilderness, replicating important landmarks and memorable scenes to more or less match original in slightly more epic proportion (read up Tamriel Rebuilt instructions on how to do good exteriors).

Not saying i'd do it myself, but of course i'd play it to death in OpenMW.

hmm, i guess there could be teams, a group of city remakes who make then new bigger cities fit in. a bunch of people to do exterior's that have become [censored]. and a bunch of people to fix up landmarks and all that, all the stuff with interiors like dunmer strongholds and daedric ones while others do bulk exterior's. i guess there could be even sub groups, a bunch of people on a region and some on another, some who do daedric etc etc.

and then people could gather together some of that best mesh and tex replacers etc. and then we can add other mods that improve things, (some of the nice town expansion and all that) though this paragraph of ideas should be done in a optional download, overwise it'd be like a 2G mod and a landremaker wouldn't have all those extra texture's and stuff. then there could be more things, like a group of mods that remake the game like BTB's stuff. and then things like "axe queen of bats" could finnally be added with their own quests.
just ideas...

Hey, New Morrowind ftw!

It would be far, far simpler and faster to put together a tool that could fix the cities, then go through and check if it had run correctly. Having people fix each one would probably take too long, compared to automatically fixing then hand-tweaking. Of course, there's more cost up-front in writing a tool to do that, where as people are cheap.

It appears that the scaled-up Oblivion files from that website are gone. Nobody would happen to have a backup on their pocket, would they?

Woah, hold it, does this involve actually using TESIV bits and resources? Because Bethesda really cracks down on people importing stuff from one TES game into another.

Great concept, but to be realistic one might need to do some research on landscapes and ecology, and what things affect the distribution and abundance of species. Additionally, you'd want to research a bit of geology.

Fractals provide one method for generating river outlines, mountains, and forests height and distance distribution. Check out my post http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1100340-fractal-geometry-making-realistic-landscapes/page__p__16084915__fromsearch__1&#entry16084915, or just watch the video I linked to. It's a pretty lengthy program (about an hour?), but you can see it all for free and without commercials. I recall that it is more towards the later segments that show the link between predicting the length of shorelines use fractal math, and how vegetation distribution is fractal in nature. Applications: being able to generate realistic vegetation in the landscape, along with other features (river, mountain) = less time spent having to hand-place trees and shrubs.

nah. it doesn't use tesV stuff, it's jst a highmap or whatever. SGmonkey would know

Until someone finally bothers to take them to court and point out they can't do that, which is probably what would happen. But that's not a discussion for here.


I don't think Morrowind involved all of that so much, and it worked alright. Admittedly, with some research, you could come up with quite the interesting world.


Aye, fractals have been used for landscape generation for quite some time. They don't always work, but certain ones work great for coasts, rivers, and even trees themselves. Overlaying a fractal over the Morrowind terrain heightmap could add the detail necessary to counter expanding it by 2 or 4 times size.

I like these concepts you guys are coming up with! Any EXPANSION OF VVARDENFELL sounds cool to me!

I am totally awesomed by this idea. It would be great to have a greater scale Morrowind to play with. It would be a great resource for modders, too, as it would throw out a lot more real estate to play around with (though some popular mods might need redone to work with it. I would definitely love to see something like this.

While it certainly is an appealing concept; I have to say that i doubt that it is possible for one single person or a small group to perform.
However should you proceed with your plans you have my best wishes; and you can be certain that if you manage to produce it; I'll be one of the first to try it.
Good luck

Regards

The Mage

I just wondered...would this mean that any modders created mods would not fit in correctly with this NEW morrowind scale?

Yes - this would nuke just about any landmass altering mod, since the landscape would be so dramatically different. Even the old NoM would be affected, since the new stores would likely be underground (the hard way) That said, I'd still play it - I'd just manually fix the handful of exterior mods I use to accommodate the new landmass.

Oh, if the landmass really is 2x the size of the old one, someone had better think about moving Solstheim - elsewise it will be possible to simply walk there.