Gray Fox Lore : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:52 pm

What is the writing on Nocturnal's Cowl? I was always too lazy to translate. :read:

"Shadow hide ou" in daedric lettering. y is omitted as it often is in daedric.

The true power is not the Gray Fox. The Thieves Guild is a mighty convienience for any power looking to keep white collar crime under control and make a buck too. The organization stays "clean" for the most part, with the exception of individual chapters that may dabble in other crime, respecting Imperial laws that don't pertain to theft. It is enough to make one wonder...

Its like discworld "for a small sum, a citizen can ensure they are only robbed twice a year, and they get a receipt too".

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:31 pm

Emer Dareloth (Dunmer?) was the first Gray Fox, he stole the cowl. Prior to that he was probably the thieves guild head in the same way Stacey was in Morrowind, or, as a book in Ob implies, was a lone agent who built the cyrodiil guild after stealing it. The cowl would have been passed down to the next head, and over 300 years the guild would've evolved differenly from Stacey's, spurred on by this belief in a semi divine leader.

In my opinion, the Gray Fox was oblivion's only good contribution to lore (apart from SI) and whatever thieves guild exists will feel odd in the next game without the cowl.

Agreed, could not have said better myself!

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:19 pm

In my opinion, the Gray Fox was oblivion's only good contribution to lore (apart from SI) and whatever thieves guild exists will feel odd in the next game without the cowl.

Alessia+her rebellion? The Knights of the Nine added a lot on that. Plus Vanilla Oblivion gave us a lot of stuff on the Ayleids. But yes, now that the Grey Cowl has made an appearance, it'll need to maintain a presence in at least some form in further games, but still, it should probably remain in Cryodiil otherwise it just becomes another ordinary Daedric Artifact.

But yeah I have played the Thieves Guild in Oblivion. Which was a rather fun quest line.

Whats this? Aldanaril saying something positive about Oblivion? :blink: Is this a sign of the apocalypse? :ahhh:

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:25 pm

Nobody has had too before. Barenziah had her own collection in Arena.

Where'd you hear that?

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:58 pm

Whats this? Aldanaril saying something positive about Oblivion? :blink: Is this a sign of the apocalypse? :ahhh:

It's extremely rare I know, but it's something about Oblivion that I actually enjoyed.

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:27 pm

Alessia+her rebellion? The Knights of the Nine added a lot on that. Plus Vanilla Oblivion gave us a lot of stuff on the Ayleids. But yes, now that the Grey Cowl has made an appearance, it'll need to maintain a presence in at least some form in further games, but still, it should probably remain in Cryodiil otherwise it just becomes another ordinary Daedric Artifact.
Whats this? Aldanaril saying something positive about Oblivion? :blink: Is this a sign of the apocalypse? :ahhh:

Oh yeah, I forgot about KOTN. But we still learnt very little about the Alessians themselves, as they have left barely any artifacts or buildings, while the condemned ayleids' cities survived intact minus the furniture. Put it down to dev elf lovers.

» Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:39 am

Who cares?

One thief rules in each province to maintain order. The Grey Fox was simply a reknown thief that reshaped the thieves guild.

» Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:25 am

Who cares?

One thief rules in each province to maintain order. The Grey Fox was simply a reknown thief that reshaped the thieves guild.

Exactly, he was their symbolic leader, not king of thieves despite the title.