I use BOSS for FO3 to put my main mods in proper order. This method places the MMM esp's somewhere in the middle of the order, but the MMM page specifically says to put them last in the order. I have used both orders and things have seemed to be working fine. Anyone have any info on this?

i would think on the marts mutant mod page it doesn't take other overhaul mods into consideration, i guess it just depends what you have? post your load order

Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm
Project Beauty HD version.esm
Destruction.esm
CRAFT.esm
CALIBR.esm
StreetLights.esm
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm
DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.esp
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.esp
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Broken Steel.esp
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Point Lookout.esp
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Mothership Zeta.esp
Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp
StreetLights - Wasteland.esp
CRAFT - Activation Perk.esp
DelaySteel.esp
delaypl.esp
delayzeta.esp
Delay ThePitt + Anchorage.esp
GalaxyNewsRadioFix[S].esp
UPP - Pack 1.esp
UPP - Pack 2.esp
UPP - Original Perks.esp
UPP - Experience Perks.esp
UPP - Quest Perks.esp
UPP - Beverage Perks.esp
NotSoFast.esp
MegatonContracts.esp
Expanded Megaton House V3.esp
Destruction - Main.esp
Destruction - Main - Statics.esp
Destruction - DLC.esp
Destruction - DLC - Statics.esp
MTC Wasteland Travellers.esp
MTC Wasteland Travellers (Optional)- Crowded Cities.esp
MiniHideout.esp
Trophies - Megaton.esp
Trophies- Tenpenny.esp
Rivet City Realignment.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp
EVE.esp
EVE Operation Anchorage.esp
Wasteland Whisperer.esp
CBOv1.4.esp
RobCo Certified.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
PB MMM HD.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Project Beauty- Point Lookout MMM.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
Owned!.esp
teddybear_brothers.esp
dD-Less Blood Time.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore The Pitt.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore PointLookout.esp
Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp
Enhanced Weather - Radioactive Rain and Snow Plugin.esp
Enhanced Weather - Rainbows.esp
Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp
Enhanced Weather - Sneak Bonus during Storms.esp
Fellout-Full.esp
Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp
Fellout-PointLookout.esp
Fellout-Zeta.esp
megalight.esp
Destruction - CP - Fellout.esp
RobCo Storage Module.esp
RobCo Certified Engineer.esp
RobCo Certified Engineer - Storage Enabled.esp
RobCo Certified Engineer - Storage Enabled Fix.esp
RobCo Certified - FWE EVE Balance.esp
UPP - FOSE Higher Ground.esp
LED pipboy light green extended.esp
Rude Awakening.esp
Rude Awakening - MMM.esp
NPC Ammo Use.esp
Bigtown upgraded.esp
Death Canyon v3.esp
Ghoul Mansion v3.1.esp
Raider preset beta.esp
CBOv1.4_slaveraider.esp
CBOv1.4_bittercup_comp_waitrelax_restyled.esp
CBOv1.4_the_other_bittercup_comp_waitrelax.esp
KarmaThresholdExtreme1010.esp
KarmaNormal1010.esp
Named Wastelanders.esp
Named Wasteland.esp
Item Descriptions Img.esp
RealPhysicsWithCarExplosions.esp
RecieveTenpennySuite.esp
Suite-suite-purifier.esp
GeneratorSound.esp
Drone Cannon Fix.esp
zetabugfix.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - No Geckos.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - No Ghoul Raise.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Spawns.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Reduced Wasteland Spawns.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp
Choose your own hairstyle (load this last on FOMM).esp

Total active plugins: 123
Total plugins: 123

I just moved them to the end today, and the game still works.

actually after looking around a bit i think it would be best to load mmm last, i don't use BOSS, i use F03 edit to help with my load order, that's really the best way to go IMO

I see. I'll keep them there then.

hey if its not broken don't fix it

Very true. Especially with FO3 having it's own bugs to begin with.

I always load MMM last with the exception of a mod or two I want to override it and one I'm testing out.

If you're using FWE 5.0 or higher, you don't need those extra MMM plugins at the end ("No" plugins, Increased, etc). You can configure those through FWE's control panel. You do need the MMM-FWE Master Release and the Project Beauty files from http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=4968.

I'm using FWE 5.2. I didn't notice any confgure options for these mods. What category would it be under in the FWE menu?

I believe it's called "Supported Mod Configurations". You won't have the option for it if you don't have the current MMM-FWE patch from FOIP.

Ahh ok. That explains why I didn't notice it then. if I add these mods into an existing game, will the game still be playable?


Edit: Also, do I delete all of these mods?

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Geckos.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - No Ghoul Raise.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Spawns.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Reduced Wasteland Spawns.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp

Do you mean you have no mods running now and you want to turn on all of those mods at one time? If so, don't do it. You'll be kicking yourself when your game falls apart and you don't know why. You could get away with FWE-MMM-EVE-Project Beauty (I think there's an EVE patch you'll need from FOIP too) if they're all properly patched. Play an hour or two, go to different locations, fight some battles, fast-travel, make sure everything is working fine. Then turn on a few more mods and repeat the process.

You could add FWE into an existing game, but it's best to start with a new one. The others should all be fine in an existing game.

You don't have to delete the MMM esps. You might want to use them later in a non-FWE game. Just leave them unchecked in FOMM.

I was using all of the above mods and the game was working fine. I plan on putting the proper .esp files from FOIP in an existing game and remove the few I listed. I guess if I need to, i'll just start a new game. I'm only at level 5 I think. Besides, if these mods will make the game that much better, I won't have a problem doing it. So do I uncheck the above mentioned mods in place of the FOIP mods?


Edit: I am using FWE in this current game.

Oh no, you don't need to restart. The FOIP patches will be fine in an existing game. Just add them, uncheck the MMM esps you don't need and you're good to go.

Ok. In a nutshell, what do these FOIP patches add to the game?

They don't add anything. They allow the other mods to work together properly.

Here's my new load order for anyone that is interested:

Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm
Project Beauty HD version.esm
Destruction.esm
CRAFT.esm
CALIBR.esm
StreetLights.esm
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm
DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.esp
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.esp
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Broken Steel.esp
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Point Lookout.esp
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Mothership Zeta.esp
Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp
StreetLights - Wasteland.esp
CRAFT - Activation Perk.esp
DelaySteel.esp
delaypl.esp
delayzeta.esp
Delay ThePitt + Anchorage.esp
GalaxyNewsRadioFix[S].esp
UPP - Pack 1.esp
UPP - Pack 2.esp
UPP - Original Perks.esp
UPP - Experience Perks.esp
UPP - Quest Perks.esp
UPP - Beverage Perks.esp
NotSoFast.esp
MegatonContracts.esp
Expanded Megaton House V3.esp
Destruction - Main.esp
Destruction - Main - Statics.esp
Destruction - DLC.esp
Destruction - DLC - Statics.esp
MTC Wasteland Travellers.esp
MTC Wasteland Travellers (Optional)- Crowded Cities.esp
MiniHideout.esp
Trophies - Megaton.esp
Trophies- Tenpenny.esp
Rivet City Realignment.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp
EVE.esp
EVE Operation Anchorage.esp
Wasteland Whisperer.esp
CBOv1.4.esp
RobCo Certified.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
PB MMM HD.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Project Beauty- Point Lookout MMM.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE with EVE.esp
Owned!.esp
teddybear_brothers.esp
dD-Less Blood Time.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore The Pitt.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore PointLookout.esp
Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp
Enhanced Weather - Radioactive Rain and Snow Plugin.esp
Enhanced Weather - Rainbows.esp
Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp
Enhanced Weather - Sneak Bonus during Storms.esp
Fellout-Full.esp
Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp
Fellout-PointLookout.esp
Fellout-Zeta.esp
megalight.esp
Destruction - CP - Fellout.esp
RobCo Storage Module.esp
RobCo Certified Engineer.esp
RobCo Certified Engineer - Storage Enabled.esp
RobCo Certified Engineer - Storage Enabled Fix.esp
RobCo Certified - FWE EVE Balance.esp
UPP - FOSE Higher Ground.esp
LED pipboy light green extended.esp
Rude Awakening.esp
Rude Awakening - MMM.esp
NPC Ammo Use.esp
Bigtown upgraded.esp
Death Canyon v3.esp
Ghoul Mansion v3.1.esp
Raider preset beta.esp
CBOv1.4_slaveraider.esp
CBOv1.4_bittercup_comp_waitrelax_restyled.esp
CBOv1.4_the_other_bittercup_comp_waitrelax.esp
KarmaThresholdExtreme1010.esp
KarmaNormal1010.esp
Named Wastelanders.esp
Named Wasteland.esp
Item Descriptions Img.esp
RealPhysicsWithCarExplosions.esp
RecieveTenpennySuite.esp
Suite-suite-purifier.esp
GeneratorSound.esp
Drone Cannon Fix.esp
zetabugfix.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty (HD Addition).esp
Choose your own hairstyle (load this last on FOMM).esp

Total active plugins: 120
Total plugins: 128