The theory: Sheogorath had something to do with Dagoth Ur's madness.

The evidence: As we know, the particular brand of insanity found in the Sixth House leads Ash Slaves to stack furniture on top of other furniture, resulting in great stacks of chairs and tables. I noticed a similar tower of stools in Big Head's shack, and Big Head is certainly not a Sixth House cultist. This seems to me to be too specific a behavior to be a coincidence... your thoughts?

A bit of a stretch, but given the things Sheo has done in the past, I wouldn't be overly surprised. To be honest, I had thought the stacked furniture had to do with, like, you know, putting chairs up on the table so you can sweep the floor. But, I didn't pay attention to whether the stacked furniture was only in 6th house infected Strongholds or not. Hmm...

It could be the corpus meat that makes the Dreamers and 6th House minions batty. I wonder if Sheo had anything to do with that? Do you think Sheo made a deal with Dagoth? In game, there is Sheo and Azura's wager, so I wonder if Sheogorath likes to mess around with Azura's mortal playthings (the Dunmer) on principle? (If the MadGod does follow a principle, that is!)

You raise an intriguing possibility, Plangkye! :thumbsup:

Thats what i think to. Sheo is the madgod for pete's sake.

I always suscribed to the idea that ash zombies and ash slaves, being creatures who are young in their development respective to the more powerful ash vampires, are simply bat censored insane due to instabilities caused by Lord Dagoth's gift. Oh and having their face fall off.

No?

Well as far as I happen to be aware.

Principally due to Sheo's lack of involvement in the creation of the Mundus, and as I understand, his subsequent position as an external archetype. In other words, he is not madness, at least not on Nirn anyway.

Quite unlike the earth-bones these 'Daedra' are?

This in no way inhibits a daedra's ability to chat up mortal men, as proven by the fact that Azura was quite the MQ ending stalker, going so far as to pull the nerevarine to mournhold after he used the mazed band to leave the clockwork city.

I don't think there really needs to be an external explanation for Ur's madness.

I mean, just play the game, read his history and look at where he is now. It's pretty straightforward that even a god would go mad in his circumstances.

IF you really want to explain it away, I'd point the "blame finger" at Azura, seeing as she is indicated for causing Almalexia's madness by Vivec.

Indeed.

I was merely illustrating that there is absolutely no necessity whatsoever for Sheogorath to be involved. Although in saying that, Sheo and Jyg are in some ways a myth echo of the humorously suicidal relationship previously enjoyed by Lorkhan and Akatosh.

So in essence, and given the mythic meanderings that occurred during the battle at Red Mountain, madness isn't all that surprising a result, when one considers how fervently involved Voryn Dagoth would become with the haggard heart of Shor.

So yes, it was all Sheo's, Azura's, and Vehk's fault. After all, everything is everything.

Madness had something to do with it. The Banker didn't really give a [censored].

Its feasible. I wouldn't be completely surprised, but surprised none the less, I'd be.

Maybe its me just being ingnorant but I doubt Sheogorath had much to do with any madness resulting from Red Mountain.

Theories like this bore me. It oversimplifies things to a great extent.

Sheog had as much to do with the 6th House as Bob Saget did with the Vietnam War.

I have to agree with 946000 it's just to simplified.

Y'know, I never made the connection there..

Nice observation, Plangk. I love blaming things on Sheo, so.. I'm gonna jump on that theory with you and agree.

Lorkhan had more to do with the Sixth House's "madness" than Sheog. And Lorkhan's sphere is Space.

In my opinion, in order to enjoy the lore to its greatest (if not just a greater) extent, people need to stop looking at the simplest, most basic connections and start looking deeper into things. Example: instead of seeing Sheog's sphere as "Madness" or "Insanity," perhaps try looking at it as "Randomness" or "Uncertainty." In my eyes, if you start looking for the deeper, more complex correlations and facts, then TES lore becomes much, MUCH more interesting.

Once you do this, things like CHIM and Tiber Septim's apotheosis (just to name a random few) start to make more sense to you. Such occurences as Tiber removing jungles from Cyrodiil become more than just "a powerful magic spell" and it becomes something that breaks into the metaphysical...like SOOOO much of the stuff in TES lore.

You took the words right out of my mouth...



and used them...

....to explain what it was I was thinking of contemplating on saying just now at the instant you spoke what it was I was about to refer to...


I think...