So, I am playing FNV right now along with Borderlands and COD Black Ops, but I can't really get involved with any. I have played like 60-70 hours of FNV so far compared to like probably 200 or more with FO3, I was new to the fallout series when i got it and it blew my mind. If you have seen my other thread in the Fallout Series Discussion you will know that the thing I was sad about in FNV was the lack of FO3 atmosphere; the dreary, depressed wasteland and the music is great. So even though I have done pretty much everything in FO3, should I do another character? And what are some ideas from you guys that can make it fun again? Like different role-playing characters or what? Ideas people! :gun:

IMO you should, F:NV is an excellent game for what it is (story and dialogue driven) but like you I couldn't get fully immersed into the world I know it's two hundred years after the great war but still.....

if you're on the PC the easy solution is mods such as FWE, MMM, FOOK, etc.

although if you're on a console or don't want to use mods you could apply rules to yourself such as
- having to eat, drink and sleep in a day
- Carrying only a certain amount of weapons
- Limiting your carry weight
- no fast travel, or limited fast travel (to cities only)
- many more that you can think of

You could also come up with a backstory for your character and then immerse yourself in that role. Don't go off your knowledge go off of your character's knowledge off the wasteland.

Others here a more likely to have more suggestions though as they are heavier role players than me

Maybe playing it again will make you notice the following.

That Power Armour is a joke without damage threshold.
How you can do something super evil like blow up Megaton and how no one knows (no reputation system)
How broken the economy is seeing as you don't need to buy a darn thing.
How you can't really talk your way out of killing
Can't join many of the factions, can't even talk to any of them.
How there is no real challenge thanks to the amount of level scalling.
Making a specialized (RPG) Character is very hard to do without making a character with very low special. Become master of everything very fast.

I don't think that there's anything wrong with going back to Fallout 3. Its a great game and in my opinon it is better than New Vegas for different reasons, one of them being the atmosphere. (I wouldn't just give up on New Vegas though).

If you're on the PC then mods would defintely be the way to go and I can recommend some really good ones if you want.

If you're not then your options are a bit more limited but one way to make things more interesting is do as billybob suggested and "limit" yourself in whatever ways you think it would make it more fun and realistic for you (no fast travel, carry only one gun and one type of ammo etc.).

I'd like to see you try these at a level lower than 10 (when you can start standing up to the enemies in NV)

Surviving vault 87
Clearing all of Old Olney
Going through The Deathclaw Sanctuary
Fighting through the Yaoi Guai caves
Defeating the raiders at Evergreen Mills
Fighting through the Capitol Building
going through the main quest and having the Enclave appear then taking them head on

Yes FO3 is easy but so is F:NV is just feels more difficult because it shoe horns you into one direction by blocking the paths with tough enemies. The paths in FO3 aren't blocked by tough enemies but areas to explore are.

Have done those things at low levels. :thumbsup:

I'll just have to take your word for it ... I guess

Its every easy when ammo, weapons and stimpacks are everywhere for free. No ammo weight and skill mags books at very location (almost). With Optiums Prime doing all the fighting at the end I can finish the game at around lvl 3 if I choose just to the main quest only.

Not arguing there, (NV also suffers from this, apart from the skill mags)

just so you know I agree that NV surpasses FO3 in the areas that you mentioned, FO3 is easy however it does have it's difficult parts (you may not agree and I don't expect you to)

But I'm pretty sure you'd have the same reaction to "Yeah I made it through the Quarry relatively early, with relative ease" (not that I did) I just find it hard to believe (and am still a bit sceptical)

I don't have an easy time with the Quarry in New Vegas or any place that has deathclaws at a low level. I have been able to get through to the strip past the area filled with deathclaws without having to kill any.

Fallout 3>Fallout NV
Three Dog>Mr New Vegas

Yeah I don't think anybody does

but before this gets any further off-topic, yes OP read my 2 cents above, imo you should go back and play FO3

Also, do not forget that the player, in Power Armor, will only be able to move as fast as an asthmatic snail, whilst NPCs can sprint fast while wearing the same Power Armor as you. That's right. NPC Encumbrance is STILL just as broken in FO3 as it was in Morrowind and Oblivion.


True evilness in FO3 is not merely broken, it is unplayable because the devs designed FO3 so being a kleptomaniac and psychopathic murderer is as good as it gets for playing evil.
The player is even forcibly told that certain things that the player does are evil, whether or not what the player's character WOULD see those things as being evil.
EG: inhuming intelligent ghouls. For a player who is wanting to help the Enclave clean up America, inhuming ghouls is just part of cleaning the filth out of the DC wasteland and making it safer for proper unmutated Humans.


For the bulk of what you find, you can never find enough traders in one area to offload the junk onto.
And along with that is scrabbling to find certain gear so you can try to get yours up to a useable condition. And just to make things that much more difficult for the player, traders can't repair your gear to perfect.


The concept of peaceful solutions to missions was infrequently explored in Morrowind. What there was received heavy excising for Oblivion What little remained was nuked nearly to obliteration for FO3.


The same defective game design regarding factions that was in Morrowind and Oblivion, was bitterly complained about for the same, was once again inflicted on gamers with FO3.
The idea that the player might want to play the game on the side of the 'opposition' is never permitted.
The idea that the player might want to RULE is actively prevented.
Shades of morality are to be avoided at all costs. All factions MUST be pure good or pure evil, and the player MUST do the MQ for the Forces Of Justice And Good And Right.


When Bethesda made Oblivion, they got slammed by gamers because they overcorrected the problems from Morrowind. They tried another idea for FO3 and it as well has failed, dismally.


Bethesda's games are ones that demand a Jack Of All Trades character whose skills are well above average just to stand a chance of survival, as single player non-co-op is their forte. The 'companions' you do get foisted upon you invariably turn out to be frustratingly defective in how their AI operates, to the point where all you want to do is to actively inhume them. So as a consequence, unless you like a playing with gimped a character, you HAVE to get your skills maxxed out ASAP.

Jenifur Charne

Why not?

You have the opportunity to seek out some of the better weapons a lot sooner and a vast world to explore all over again. Some things will seem fresh to you, but others will not. You may even find locations that you missed the first time. I completed the game twice (and very far into a third play) and enjoyed it just as much the second time.

Between your advanced knowledge of doing certain things quicker and not doing things in the exact order that you did before, you should have an experience varied enough to keep your interest.

I also enjoyed Borderlands (other than the enemies respawning so quickly).

While Fallout NV begins to lose steam for me as it approaches the endgame, Fallout 3 kept me interested all the way through. I thought I had been pretty thorough on my first play, but found that there were things I had completely missed. Even making different choices will give you an altered game from what you had the first time.

Your open-ended choices of where to go and what to do should vary your experience enough to keep your interest.

My response is YES, simply on the merit that it is worth playing. Period. Everyone likes to go on about what they hate about it, so why not discover what you don't like about it yourself

Sometimes it feels like it's a lion's den in here

Yeah, go for it! It's still a great game, despite it's limitations. Try a realistic weapon carry limit, or just melée, or unarmed. Stuff like that.

Or if you die once, then you start over. I'm doing this now, coupled with a three weapon carry limit (so no stockpiling weapons/armour for easy caps) and am finding it a challenge. I tread very carefully now, entering every building/metro with caution knowing it could all end at any time.

Of course, if you feel like it. If you truly wanted to start playing FO3 again, you wouldn't need others' opinions.


So that's a "yes".

Yes I asked myself the same question a couple weeks ago and I totally forgot how fun this game was. Though NV was a good game too do not get me wrong here. :fallout:

F_ck you... Quit trolling you Vegas loving b*tches, I am sick of you people shich is why i came HERE!

You should, and as the first post adviced you should basically make up your own hardcoe mod, unless you can mod...

This isn't just Vegas lol, this is also Fallout 1, Fallout 2, and even Fallout Tactics. Face it Sebor, F3 is the black sheep.

In all honesty OP if you enjoy Fallout 3, then more power to you. If you want to play it, then hell; play it. That's your personal preference.

I won't lie when I say I hate F3, but that's me. Sebor is just bitter about New Vegas, and whines about it on the series forums. The reason why I'm here is because despite my whining, I like to help.

Yeah, I think you should, I am I think it is better than NV (Don't want to go into detail) but that's just me. Though I do have both for my PC and xbox, Dead Money is cool though, I'll play NV for that.

Sorry, alittle tired then... I am bitter about Vegas, it was the biggest let down I've ever had for a video game...

How the hell did you think we felt about Fallout 3? Fallout 3 was a BIG let down. We were hoping for Fallout 3, not Oblivion With Guns. A lot of us still remember the days of when Interplay teased us with trailers of Van Buren. 12 years later and we didn't get a sequel to Fallout 2, but something else entirely.

I do not have FNV.
What I compare FO3 to are Morrowind and Oblivion. Each game more restrictive on the character the player can create, less and less a CRPG, and more and more an FPS.

Jenifur Charne