a way to see if an Item is placed, or random loot.

for scripting purposes.

Items "in the world" or in a cell are placed, unless an enemy drops the item.

I meant to scan the item with a script to see if it is placed or dropped, a flag or property or some sort.

No. Once the item is in an inventory, you can't tell whether it was originally placed/dropped.

forgive me, I am not phrasing my questions properly.

a way to determine whether an item was placed, or dropped, when initially picking it up.

That is what my post first post is about...If you are wondering if their is an OBSE mod that can tell you if the item on the ground is persistent or not, I do not know of one.

As far as I know, there isn't currently a way to tell if an item was placed by an esp/esm or if it was dropped by an npc or placed via script.

It should theoretically be possible, but it'd require someone to write a new OBSE plugin or a change in OBSE itself.

Will not a placed item have a formId starting with the owning mod's load #, while a dropped item will start with "FF"? If so, you can check for that.


Btw, this thread belongs in, and should be moved to the CS subforum.

redoing my OOO-No_Guild_Ownership mod. to make it fit its original intent by oscuro and tandem
..., will have to approach the problem from a different path then, think I have it tho.

on pick up
is the item flagged as owned
if no, end

if yes
ownership = player
yes,
end
no
remove ownership
remove faction
flag stolen




is this possible scripting wise
there has to be a way to at least remove the faction ownership, oblivion does this on its own unless changed by a mod.

Possible? Yes. Practical? No.

One approach would be to place the script on the base object. If you do, the script will appear an every single placed reference of that object, of which the vast majority would not be in a guild. This is just begging for problems.
Another approach would be to make a new base object for the items in the guild, and place the script on that. This would limit the script to items in the guild, but then they would be entirely new items. They wouldn't stack with other items, would possibly interfere with other quests, etc. This is better than the first approach, but not by much.

The best approach is also the most complicated. Have a script run whenever the player is in a guild that tracks what the player is looking at. Disable the activate key, and see when the player presses it. If he activates it, then see if what he's activating and if you need to remove ownership from it. Then have the script activate the item for the player. This would have the least amount of potential bugs, but it would also be the hardest to script. If you don't do things just right, you can leave the player with a disabled activate button and break their game.

thanks, this is what I needed to know.

trigger the script to run whenever he clicks on a door to the guild hall, and exit the script on clicking the door to leave.

This approach can be simplified quite a bit: Just have a script that runs in Gamemode every single frame (set fQuestDelayTime to 0.001). In every frame, check if the player presses the activation key. If so, check what he's looking at and do what you need on that item. This works because the game continues to run in Gamemode for a couple of frames after the activation key has been detected, so you have the opportunity window to do things you need then.

This is the trick Enhanced Economy uses in order to remove items from a container before the container is opened. I haven't tested it on items that can be picked up, but I think it would work, and should be tried before you start disabling the activation key.

That is VERY useful to know.

You do realize this means I am gonna have to cannibalize your script right?

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