Tracking down a specific CTD? : IV

» Fri May 13, 2011 5:56 am

I just reinstalled my Oblivion and used a new mod setup. However, I ran into a problem with Frostcrag Reborn. As soon as I travel to Frostcrag and walk up the stairs just before the door, Oblivion crashes. Normally in this case I'd scrap the mod and go back to the default, but Frostcrag Reborn is one of the few I really don't want to do without and its worked for me in the past. Is there a way to track down exactly what could cause the CTD?

And, in case it might be a case of pure stupidity (if anyone wants to look through a too damn big load order list):

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» Fri May 13, 2011 3:49 pm

Did you add Frostcrag Reborn to an existing save. It has quite some specific installation requirements. That is one mod where you really have to read the ReadMe thoroughly. I have not played it since I failed to get it working without crashes over a year ago. It has since been updated quite a bit, but that was just my experience with it. Give the ReadMe another look. Your load order looks pretty good, so I am guessing there is mod conflict somewhere...

» Fri May 13, 2011 7:49 pm

Did you add Frostcrag Reborn to an existing save. It has quite some specific installation requirements. That is one mod where you really have to read the ReadMe thoroughly. I have not played it since I failed to get it working without crashes over a year ago. It has since been updated quite a bit, but that was just my experience with it. Give the ReadMe another look. Your load order looks pretty good, so I am guessing there is mod conflict somewhere...

Yeah, it was my first character fresh with all the mods activated. I tried disabling a few mods that I'd never had before, without any success.

» Fri May 13, 2011 3:19 pm

What does the Frostcrag Reborn ReadMe say about compatibility?

» Fri May 13, 2011 8:02 am

What does the Frostcrag Reborn ReadMe say about compatibility?

That I shouldn't use the Unofficial Frostcrag Patch, which I'm not. And not to use the COBL esp if I'm not using COBL, which I am. I even went through and made a new fresh character to see if that would make a difference.

» Fri May 13, 2011 12:04 pm

You should be able to use COBL with that mod.