MWSE corruption? : III

» Fri May 13, 2011 12:10 pm

I get an error when I try to start a New Game or load certain saved games:

"Expression Error Unable to find referenced object "cer_diseased" in script YAC_OC_TargetCheck."

The error seems to happen in a script in Ownership Indicator.esp.
The error goes away if I disable TLM - NPC Light Sources.esp (part of The Lighting Mod Modular)

Any idea what's going on?
AFAIK there is nothing called "cer_diseased" in my game. I think it's actually a truncated part of the string "cliff racer_diseased.esp".
Somehow the Ownership Indicator script is getting a bad object from MWSE?

Is there a reason mlox always warns you about using MWSE? Is it buggy or something?

» Fri May 13, 2011 5:39 pm

It's almost impossible to know since you didn't post your LO, but you can try http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3874 to find out which mod is causing that error.

If you prefer you can always uncheck TLM - NPC Light Sources.esp with a clean save and put it back to see if that's causing it.

» Fri May 13, 2011 7:13 am

So I tried different combinations of mods and the problem seemed to "move" around.
At one point the problem went away only if I turned off a (fully updated) Mashed Lists.esp.

I opened and saved Ownership Indicator.esp using a hex editor so that it had a later file date. In Wrye Mash it became the LAST mod loaded, even after Mashed Lists.esp. This finally fixed my problem and allowed me to have my 213 other mods loaded without getting the error on a New Game.

Very strange problem, never seen anything like it.

FYI here is my mod order with the problem fixed.

Spoiler

_001_ Morrowind.esm
_002_ Tribunal.esm
_003_ Bloodmoon.esm
_004_ abotWaterLife.esm
_005_ Book Rotate.esm
_006_ GDR_MasterFile.esm
_007_ Texture Fix 1.8.esm
_008_ TR_Data.esm
_009_ TR_Map1.esm
_010_ TR_Map2.esm
_011_ Morrowind Patch v1.6.5-BETA.esm
_012_ Bloodmoon Landscape Overhaul 1.0.esm
_013_ Better Heads.esm
_014_ Better Heads Tribunal addon.esm
_015_ Better Heads Bloodmoon addon.esm
_016_ Animal Behaviour.esp
_017_ Well.esp
_018_ MPP 1.6.5 Dirty Beta Patch.esp
_019_ LadyD_Reduced_Commentary.esp
_020_ Lgnpc_SN.esp
_021_ Stanegau Isle.esp
_022_ AOF Potions Recolored T+B.esp
_023_ Sleepers-fix.esp
_024_ AscendedSleeperSFX.esp
_025_ LeFemmArmor.esp
_026_ DagonFel_Well_v2.esp
_027_ adamantiumarmor.esp
_028_ NX9_Guards_Complete.ESP
_029_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!)_TR.ESP
_030_ Lore Fix.esp
_031_ Animated Morrowind 1.0.esp
_032_ ImprovedFollowers.esp
_033_ Guar Followers Fix.esp
_034_ Smooth Moves Ahnassi.esp
_035_ Better Skulls.ESP
_036_ The Imperial Legion Badge.esp
_037_ Particle Arrow Replacer.esp
_038_ AEA-Compatibility.esp
_039_ NX9_daedra_Additions.ESP
_040_ NX9_Guard_LGTrib_patch.ESP
_041_ Atmospheric Sound Effects (BMS Edit).esp
_042_ Siege at Firemoth.esp
_043_ Atmospheric Sound Effects - TB (BMS Edit).esp
_044_ Beds4Rent.esp
_045_ Atmospheric Sound Effects - BM (BMS Edit).esp
_046_ VGreetings-Hit.esp
_047_ Vivec_Voice_addon TRIBUNAL.esp
_048_ VGreetings-Thief.esp
_049_ Dagoth Gares_Voice_addon v1.1.esp
_050_ Daggerfall Collection Ver 1.1.esp
_051_ Steel Broadsword Fix BM.esp
_052_ ShieldPlacer_MWTribBM.esp
_053_ LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_10.esp
_054_ LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp
_055_ EDNHE.esp
_056_ Unique_creeper_purist.esp
_057_ Neo's Unique Creatures.esp
_058_ DN-GDRv1 (HFP Edit).esp
_059_ LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_20.esp
_060_ LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp
_061_ NEDE v1.2.esp
_062_ The Neverhalls.esp
_063_ Better armor (rev7_Templar).esp
_064_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp
_065_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20_suppl.esp
_066_ LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_22.esp
_067_ LGNPC_TelMora_v1_20.esp
_068_ LGNPC_Khuul_v2_10.esp
_069_ LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_10.esp
_070_ LGNPC_TelUvirith_v1_20.esp
_071_ LGNPC_SecretMasters_v1_30.esp
_072_ LGNPC_IndarysManor_v1_51.esp
_073_ LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_50.esp
_074_ Less_Generic_Nerevarine.esp
_075_ LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_20.esp
_076_ LGNPC_SoulSicknessPatch_v1_00.esp
_077_ Statue Replacer - Normal.esp
_078_ BetterClothesForTB.esp
_079_ MG_Sharn_Necro_Quest Fix.esp
_080_ DN_Adamantium.esp
_081_ correctuvorereplacerv10.esp
_082_ HospitalityPapers.esp
_083_ Texture Fix -TR -1.0.esp
_084_ Shieldfx.esp
_085_ Dwemer Alchemy Set (1.00 R3).esp
_086_ TR_CensusAndExciseTravel.esp
_087_ HerTamedLightning.esp
_088_ New Argonian Bodies - Mature.esp
_089_ New Khajiit Bodies - Mature.esp
_090_ Less_Generic_Tribunal.esp
_091_ Quieter_UI_Sounds.esp
_092_ LeftGloves_Addon_v2.esp
_093_ AllSoulgemsTest.esp
_094_ Arrow De-nocker.esp
_095_ UniqueFinery_NoRobe.esp
_096_ Gluby's Creature Loot Mod v1.11.esp
_097_ Clean Tales of Seyda Neen.esp
_098_ Starfires NPC Additions ver-1.11.esp
_099_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!).ESP
_100_ NX9_Guard_LGRedoran_Patch.ESP
_101_ Illy's Solsteim Rumour Fix.esp
_102_ mel_teleportPlugin_1_3.esp
_103_ SNR_ThievesStep_Standart.esp
_104_ Protective Guards.esp
_105_ Starfire Over Telvannis.esp
_106_ Water Level Fix - Full.esp
_107_ MA_snowprincetomb_v3.esp
_108_ Talrivian's State-Based HP Mod v.2.2.esp
_109_ Psy_IronMeshImprove_Uniques_BMI.esp
_110_ EBQ_Artifact.esp
_111_ entertainers.esp
_112_ master_index.esp
_113_ AreaEffectArrows.esp
_114_ Vurt's Ashlands Overhaul.esp
_115_ Tales of Tel Branora.esp
_116_ Tales of the Bitter Coast.esp
_117_ Vurt's Grazelands Trees.ESP
_118_ Always +5 Modifier.ESP
_119_ Antares' Creatures - Trolls!.esp
_120_ Ebonheart Fix.ESP
_121_ Antares' Creatures - Treant.esp
_122_ Antares' Creatures - Frost Giant.esp
_123_ WarhammerFix.esp
_124_ Animated_Morrowind - Expanded.esp
_125_ My Morrowind Patch Tweaks.esp
_126_ BetterMusicSystem_1.8.esp
_127_ Clean_Templar_Pauldron_Fix_v11.esp
_128_ Little Secrets.ESP
_129_ Welcome to the Arena! v5.0 (normal).esp
_130_ Lights_300_V4.esp
_131_ LightTheWayScriptBM.esp
_132_ DXM_masterindex_journalfix.esp
_133_ Animated Morrowind II.esp
_134_ k_weather.esp
_135_ All classes playable.esp
_136_ A Portcullis for Pelagiad (v1.1).esp
_137_ A Portcullis for Hawkmoth (v1.1).esp
_138_ Illy's Redguards.esp
_139_ Illy's Asian Bosmer.esp
_140_ A Portcullis for Moonmoth (v1.1).esp
_141_ A Portcullis for Wolverine Hall (v1.0).esp
_142_ OR_Fang.esp
_143_ Book Jackets - Morrowind - BookRotate.esp
_144_ TLM - Ambient Light + Fog Update.esp
_145_ Westly's Master Headpack X.esp
_146_ VGreetings.esp
_147_ TLM - Light Sources (Clearer Lighting).esp
_148_ Almalexia_Voicev1.esp
_149_ barilzar_voice.esp
_150_ SirLuthor-Tools.esp
_151_ Better Bodies.esp
_152_ trap.esp
_153_ Byb_Traders 300.esp
_154_ Yagrum Advanced 2.0.esp
_155_ All Silt Strider Ports.esp
_156_ Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp
_157_ Corean_Hair_in_Morrowind.esp
_158_ All Boat Ports.esp
_159_ Unboarable Rieklings.esp
_160_ Dagger of Symmachus.esp
_161_ Dulsya Isle.esp
_162_ Healers.esp
_163_ shvMouthTeleport.esp
_164_ Clear Ice.esp
_165_ BetterBooks_AlchFormfix.esp
_166_ Clear Glass.esp
_167_ Book Rotate - Tribunal v5.3.esp
_168_ Book Rotate - Bloodmoon v5.3.esp
_169_ Scroll Icons.esp
_170_ Dahrk Creatures I.ESP
_171_ Illuminated Windows.esp
_172_ dej_plain_paper_fix.esp
_173_ Illy's Fresh Faces.esp
_174_ Better Bloat.esp
_175_ Illuminated Windows - Bloodmoon.esp
_176_ Book Jackets - Tribunal - BookRotate.esp
_177_ Book Jackets - Bloodmoon - BookRotate.esp
_178_ IceNioLivRobeReplacerPLUS.esp
_179_ KS_Julan_Ashlander Companion_1.3.esp
_180_ CB-frostbolt_crystal.esp
_181_ CB-illusionbolt1.0.esp
_182_ Syc_HerbalismforPurists.esp
_183_ Syc_HerbalismforPurists_BM.esp
_184_ Syc_HerbalismforPurists_TB.esp
_185_ Clean Better Daedric.esp
_186_ Lantern replacer By Leeloo.esp
_187_ constance1_0.esp
_188_ The Sable Dragon 1.6.esp
_189_ Galbedir Soulgems.esp
_190_ abotWaterLifeTRaddon.esp
_191_ A_flock_of_seagulls.esp
_192_ Clean Key Replacer MW Renamer.esp
_193_ Birdies by Cait and Leeloo.esp
_194_ Oriental weapons pack.esp
_195_ TLM - Light Sources (Natural Water).esp
_196_ Vurt's Solstheim Trees & Bushes Replacer.ESP
_197_ VGreetings-Flee.esp
_198_ VGreetings-Idle.esp
_199_ VGreetings-Attack.esp
_200_ TLM - Light Sources (Lanterns).esp
_201_ TLM - External Lights Ownership.esp
_202_ TLM - AdjMod - Siege At Firemoth.esp
_203_ TLM - NPC Light Sources.esp
_204_ Better Clothes_v1.1_nac.esp
_205_ wl_dockyard.ESP
_206_ Arn_DungeonTunnels.esp
_207_ Less_Generic_Bloodmoon.esp
_208_ BLLDV_ALL.esp
_209_ More Better Clothes.ESP
_210_ sm_ForgottenHalls.esp
_211_ Illy's Altmer.ESP
_212_ Illy's Bretons.ESP
_213_ Mashed Lists.esp
_214_ Ownership Indicator.esp

» Fri May 13, 2011 5:51 pm

If I permit mlox to swap Mashed Lists.esp and Ownership Indicator.esp, so that Mashed Lists is last, then the nonsense "cer_diseased" error reappears.

» Fri May 13, 2011 11:31 am

I wonder what this plugin does.

_018_ MPP 1.6.5 Dirty Beta Patch.esp

If you only has this esp activated, because the esm has GMST's with it which is harmless and I can't understand the reason why. :shrug:

_011_ Morrowind Patch v1.6.5-BETA.esm

I also suggest that put GDR_MasterFile.esm last of the esm because it's advised that you have GDR_MasterFile.esm loaded last if you have any *dwemer* mod installed. The Tamriel Rebuilt has some dwemer ruins included in that mod.

» Fri May 13, 2011 8:32 am

Just a FYI, I am 99% sure cer_diseased is not referenced in that script, so it is possibly another mod causing the issue (Maybe not). Also if MWSE gives my script a bad reference, it will probably just crash the game rather than have the error you mention (which happens in the initialization of the scripts)

» Fri May 13, 2011 4:13 am

>I also suggest that put GDR_MasterFile.esm last of the esm because it's advised that you have GDR_MasterFile.esm loaded last if you have any *dwemer* mod installed. The Tamriel Rebuilt has some dwemer ruins included in that mod.

Thanks, I'll try putting that in mlox_user.txt

>I wonder what this plugin does.
>>_018_ MPP 1.6.5 Dirty Beta Patch.esp

I got that plugin from http://btb2.free.fr/morrowind.html, here is part of the readme:

Spoiler

This is the 1.6.5 beta version of the Morrowind Patch Project. It remains in "beta" status due to the mysterious and untimely disappearance of Quarn, the man responsible for maintaining it. It has been out for so long, however, that both of the problems it presents have been identified and dealt with.

The way I have dealt with these problems is by creating a plugin with "dirty" references, meaning that they are identical to the game's original settings, and thus override the problematic changes made by the Morrowind Patch Project. This plugin is titled "MPP 1.6.5 Dirty Beta Patch.esp", and is located in the "data files" folder along with the MPP master file.

For the curious, the two problems fixed by the "dirty" plugin are as follows:

? An attempt to fix the behavior of the "Pilgrim's Path" book resulted in CTDs when attempting to read it from your inventory. Note that this problem is not unique to the latest version of the MPP.

? Edits to the "Threads of the Webspinner" dialogue rendered it impossible to receive Mephala's Skill.

? I also went and fixed some dialogue from Bloodmoon that threw some dude out into the middle of the ocean or some s__t when you got done talking to him. Or something. I forget the details, honestly.

» Fri May 13, 2011 6:53 pm

Thanks, I'll try putting that in mlox_user.txt

I got that plugin from http://btb2.free.fr/morrowind.html, here is part of the readme:

Spoiler

This is the 1.6.5 beta version of the Morrowind Patch Project. It remains in "beta" status due to the mysterious and untimely disappearance of Quarn, the man responsible for maintaining it. It has been out for so long, however, that both of the problems it presents have been identified and dealt with.

The way I have dealt with these problems is by creating a plugin with "dirty" references, meaning that they are identical to the game's original settings, and thus override the problematic changes made by the Morrowind Patch Project. This plugin is titled "MPP 1.6.5 Dirty Beta Patch.esp", and is located in the "data files" folder along with the MPP master file.

For the curious, the two problems fixed by the "dirty" plugin are as follows:

? An attempt to fix the behavior of the "Pilgrim's Path" book resulted in CTDs when attempting to read it from your inventory. Note that this problem is not unique to the latest version of the MPP.

? Edits to the "Threads of the Webspinner" dialogue rendered it impossible to receive Mephala's Skill.

? I also went and fixed some dialogue from Bloodmoon that threw some dude out into the middle of the ocean or some s__t when you got done talking to him. Or something. I forget the details, honestly.

You're welcome and thanks to clarify that about the *dirty* patch for the real MW patch. :biggrin:

» Fri May 13, 2011 2:30 pm

OK, if I turn on all my mods and have Merged Lists.esp come last (like it should), then I cannot start a new game due to the corrupt string "cer_diseased" somehow showing up in Yacoby's Ownership Indicator script.

But If I turn off "Dahrk Creatures I.esp" and then reimport merged lists, everything works.

"cer_diseased" actually appears in Dahrk Creatures I.esp.
It seems something about this mod is corrupt or something is special about it and it's confusing MWSE.

» Fri May 13, 2011 11:24 am

Update: I tried opening Dahrk Creatures in tesame and resaving itl the binary didn't change at all.
I see nothing odd in tesame or mwedit except this does refer to "cliff racer_diseased" in some Levelled Creatures entries.
Also, I see nothing odd in the resulting Mashed Lists.esp.

» Fri May 13, 2011 4:52 am

But If I turn off "Dahrk Creatures I.esp" and then reimport merged lists, everything works.

"cer_diseased" actually appears in Dahrk Creatures I.esp.

That's probably correct solution of your mod issue. :yes:

If I were you I would probably forget about the Dahrk Creatures I.esp if I could play the game without it.

» Fri May 13, 2011 3:14 pm

I've noticed pointer errors like this with MWSE mods when loading a save and having added / removed mods mid-game. Seems to occur when a new plugin gets inserted before a MWSE plugin in the load order, or the load order of MWSE plugins is shifted because of a reduction in the number loading before an MWSE plugin.

Yacoby's Ownership Indicator seems to be the canary-in-the-coalmine when it comes to this for whatever reason (might have to do with extended MGE MWSE functions and how they're indexing memory).

The solution I've found is to maintain the placement of the MWSE plugin in the existing load order - i.e. if you remove a plugin before an MWSE plugin, you need to replace it with another plugin or move in a plugin from later in the load order; only add plugins (including new MWSE plugins) after all existing MWSE plugins; or just don't mess with the load list after starting a game. FYI: I group all my plugins in the load list by type and keep MWSE / MGE plugins together which helps simplify ordering issues.

Again, that's with loading saved games. In the case of a new game it's more likely a problem with a bad script / malformed reference / corrupted plugin causing issues. You might want to try recompiling in TESCS any scripts in 'Dahrk Creatures I.esp' and resave that plugin (maybe even to a new file name). Resave it from TESCS in any case instead of from TESAME or MWEdit (and use Wrye's GMST Vaccine when saving in TESCS if 'Dahrk Creatures I.esp' has no dependencies on the expansions to avoid introducing dirty GMSTs).