*insert obligatory Twilight comment*


Yeah, that's the way I prefer it also, with it being less noticeable. Having everyone recognize you and attack or run always makes the game get boring pretty fast.

I don't know about "sixy vampires", but considering that getting turned is supposed to STOP you from aging, I definitely agree with the OP that I don't want to see my character suddenly age 40 years like in Oblivion.

It was pretty bad when even an attractive young woman suddenly looked like a wrinkled old grandfather when they turned into a vampire.

I agree. I'd rather eat a bull full of broken glass than watch Twilight. There are all kinds of interesting vampire folklore from around the world, none of which until Stoker, as I am aware, were seducers. I definitely preferred Morrowind's vampires to Oblivion, but at least in Oblivion they weren't trying to get in your pants, and being all melodramatic.

There's something else I don't like about modern vampires. For claiming they are empty hollow shells and feel nothing, they express it in a very Charlton Heston over acting, teenage drama queen kind of way. The complete opposite of what they are professing.

Vampirism stops you from aging because it makes you undead. We don't need pretty/sixy undead creatures, IMO.

Elder Scrolls vampires are NOT suppose to be sixy, they are suppose to be monsters. And the know they are shunned. They are so shunned, that it took a pact with a Daedric Prince to be able to "look" normal for three days(Note: Two days after the first players will look sick before going full vampire)

lich freak

1. He is dead.
2. Last time I so him he degraded in to an Altmer, being a lich obviously did not work out for the guy
3. He lost because his followers where talentless idiots, as I sad, and he was one as well for collecting them.
4. I's not about the ability to take over the world - every Telvani mage or Aundae vampire has it, it's about the desire to do so - why on earth would I want to rule that mess, have random idiots ask me what to do and deal with everyones problems, even if they are "undead problems"? I'd rather be a mage and study and enjoy my self with as little responsibility as posible

Generally I think that Liches and Vampires are the two sides of one coin, leach is capable of absolute solitude and obsolete concentration - it is a state of being when nothing stands between you and your magic, almost a "spiritual experience" in a necromantic sort of way. While vampires would forever stand between the two worlds, since they need human blood to survive they will never be able to remove themselves form humanity and will always be drawn in to tis mes. The expirience of being a vampire is in a way a very carnal side of undeath. But liches and vampires are the top of the food chain - the higher undead but a "different forks" of it, they have to be able to function, survive and find their pray.

And right, back on track.


Hellmouth - yes they are unnatural abominations, but that is not about the look, "awfully looking" does not equal evil, neither is true the other way around. I never sad they should be kind a fuzzy, quite the opposite - vampires should be the curse of the land and the terrors, they should look inhuman, but that does not necessary mean "inhumanly ugly" Look at Whitewolfs Tzimisce clan if you want to get the idea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzimisce they are the stuff of the nightmares, without questions, but they although have a diverse look that fits their idea of beauty People need to remember that inside does not equal outside, some of the worst things in live look good to begin with Them being just another monster that gets killed kind of makes them less terrifying - we have all manner of thous and people are not that afraid of them.
And I simply can't see the logic in the horrid-fangy-monster-with-zero-social-skills, because quite frankly they would simply be unable to survive for more than a day or two, not even one of them, as for a whole clan? As it either has to find a way to feed regularly without being to noticed or it will be dead asap. Being an animal like thing simply woun't make this posible.
Morrowind vampires can survive because they are civilized, may look somewhat scary but obveously not so scary that people can't handle it - they have contact with mortals - Telvani at last do not mind them and would talk and trade with them, and they keep slaves. Cydoiil vampires simply full others in to thinking they are normal people. So it is not as simple as making them a "monster" - vampire has to be believable and have logic behind them.

I like how people are mentioning ugly Nosferatu as being the "original" vampire, because he was the first movie vampire. You do know that there was a book called "Dracula" that came before any movie (long before movies were invented)?

I liked Oblivions concept of having vampires look human when fully fed, and monstrous after a few days without feeding.

Also,what's wrong with having a few attractive things to kill out there. Does every monster have to be ugly?

Nope... some things can look badass.

vampires arent sixy........they have the ability to charm you but thats different thats more like a spell or something. maybe they release pheromones. they should be very pale (obviously), thinner if they allow body morphing and perhaps their eye color should change.

dracula was not the first vampire in fiction. vampires have been around in most cultures forever in one form or another. and in almost all the cases they were monsters in both appearance and actions.

they should keep them ugly but allow them to charm an individual into thinking they are the most beautiful thing they have ever seen this could be used for picking up supplies in a city or something. vampires should be a seperate and distinct group that is despised by everyone else.......even other vampire clans. that is the price for supernatural abilities and also for immortality.

oh yea..............[censored] twighlight

on the topic lichs........hell yes. one of the best mods for morrowind let you become a lich.

damn straight

Seriously, people, watch 30 Days of Night. The Vampires in it are vicious, brutal, bloodthirsty, and kinda beastly in appearance. Nothing like the "pretty and dramatic modern vampires" of recent years. They look wild...feral...evil. take a look and see.

http://kindertrauma.com/images/kill/30days.jpg

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/1/1202106935_1.jpg

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRyU_uFhk2PFAoZCo7SwduSTFeL13UqY3ENM-dmjhWycGMc9D_

I still like the idea of civilized vampires who presently struggle with their animalistic urges. Remember that in ES, there are over 200 types of vampires with different looks and powers. The Yekef from Valenwood can swallow men whole! That's not a pretty sight at all.

The Volkihar should look like the 30 days of Night vampires!

Marlow FTW!

Never said they were evil, but they're abomination created by the daedric prince of NIGHTMARES. The only reason why the mages guild and Telvanni tolerate them is due to their knowledge about them, as they're really the only educated people in Tamriel. The only reason why the Cyrodiilic clan survives in society is due to being able to look normal. You have to remember, the people of Tamriel are quite racist. Hell, it took the orsimer 4000 years of constant genocide on them to be accepted, and that was only due to getting a hold of the Numidium. It really doesn't help that vampires, by their nature, feast on blood as their only means of survival, and are created by a daedric curse intended to make them nightmarish abominations.

So all those books suggesting that Molag Bal created vampirism is a lie?

Vampires should be ugly and repulsive IMO, I like the way they were depicted back in the day. Why should a walking dead corps that lives off blood and wanders in the night need to look sixy?

Molag Bal had to get the cure from Vaermina, suggesting he didn't create it, and even his cultists say that Molag Bal did not create vampirism, though it's very likely he was the one who original caused its spread.

no, molag bal did create vampirism :grad:

So? He created nightmares, Vaermina cures em...

Damn, Molag bal is cooler..I wish he did it. So, the Cyrodilic vampires were incorrect about their Blood-Patron?

Based on the lore around them (that being a very tiny amount... at least that I have been able to find) they do sound like they'd fit with Skyrim

The point of a vampire is to be damned, not to be a 90 year old hipster who hits on teenage girls and gets all pretty in the sunlight. You should become more powerfull the longer you're a vampire but at the cost of NEVER being able to go into the sunlight and people think you're creepy regardless of what time it is. In my opinion, you should get uglier the longer you've starved yourself as well as less powerfull but their should be people hunting you all the time in an attempt to kill you and mount your head on their wall. Holy water should burn like sunlight, not heal you. Werewolves should follow your wishes should you come across one because as a vampire you have a modist amount of control over nocturnal creatures and werewolves have very little control over themselves while beasting out. If you feed on people but don't kill them they should become a vampire as well and also a companion you have control over.

VAMPIRES AREN'T PRETTY!!!!!! They are, however, mesmerizing.

I think that as a vampire, if you don't feed within a game week you should begin losing skills. You cannot die from old age but you can lose everything you once were, you are damned.

I am not offended. I just found it... Odd. And now I'm suddenly the "epitome of oversensitivity"
:confused:

one thing bethesda has to be careful of is making their vampires to much like the ones from white wolf. as much as i would love to see that they sued of the similarities between their vampires and the ones from the underworld movies and i believe they won as well.