Origin of the Mages Guild - CTD : IV

» Fri May 13, 2011 7:16 pm

Hello,

While doing some exploring I stumbled upon a cave called "http://i42.tinypic.com/25sy2c3.jpg". The interior was rather http://i43.tinypic.com/2vvrpdx.jpg than what I have seen before, but oh well.. nothing which my character can not handle!

I went on, and http://i39.tinypic.com/15mfi39.jpg a section locked with some doors (which would let me enter "Ice Witch Den"). Upon entering a loading screen pops up, but instead of entering it - I ended up with a CTD. I immediately used FormID Finder (what an awesome mod!) and it showed me that I was going through something from OMG.

Something in that section is making me crash, and my first thought would be lacking files. I re-downloaded the mod, and compared it to mine (I cleaned the ESP and PyFFI'ed the meshes) but no sign of anything missing. I tried a non-cleaned ESP - but that did not help.

The read me stated that one of the requirements for this mod was "Cyrodiil Upgrade Resource Pack"... OOPS, I missed that, since I thought "Dragon Captions - Resource Pack - DCRP" included everything from it (I have the whole package installed with the ESP). I went on a search-spree on the net, and the only thing I could find was a http://www.filefront.com/13277444/Cyrodiil-Upgrade-Overhaul-6/ that had several ESP, and some sound files (no actual textures/meshes). Am I lacking something from a default package? Are there any links to this by any chance?

The particular section (door) which caused a CTD is http://i44.tinypic.com/wje49s.jpg. I am running a FCOM install so I have FCOM_OMG as well (I do not use Slof Robe Trader so did not use the FCOM_OMGSRT ESP).

I have not altered my load order, so maybe the problem is related to that.

Spoiler

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Any help would be appreciated,

Lunat1c

» Fri May 13, 2011 8:47 am

You should fix the delinquent master issue. That S&S merged patches plugins needs to be moved. Also, you are using OMG v6. We are not even sure what that is. You should get the v5.1 version if you can find it. That is the version the FCOM support plugin was made for...I am just looking at this quickly because I am on my way out...

» Fri May 13, 2011 12:28 pm

Move the S&S patch to near the end of your load order. That should take care of the delinquent masters issue.

While there may be a few people here who can answer questions about OMG, the mod's author has expressed a great deal of animosity towards users who use his mod along side FCOM.
I do not know if you will get the help you are seeking.
I do not beleive the CURP resources (note that the DC version is not exactly the same) are available except though the authors forums.

You may need to do as I have done. Remove this particular mod from your game.

Good Luck.

» Fri May 13, 2011 3:13 pm

Moving that S&S down in my load order did not fix it, however I grabbed a fresh copy and will need to use some magic to merge them properly (but single ESP files shown no errors).

Anyways, I removed 6.0 and got a fresh copy of 5.1 and that removed the cave completely. I guess it was something that got added by the newer version (6.0).

Aye, I need to have some sort of a "Guild Master Rank" to be able to download CURP from the author's forum. Bummer, but I hope by removing it I do not screw up my game though. I have not done that much regarding the Mage Guild quests, so I should be fine?

Cheers for the advise though, I am really starting to dig this forum!

Lunat1c

» Fri May 13, 2011 10:14 am

Wow thats a full List. removing all your merged and Filtered Mods you are At the Limit. or is it Past?

You have 253 was it 254 or 225 Mods MAX?

» Fri May 13, 2011 3:47 pm

Wow thats a full List. removing all your merged and Filtered Mods you are At the Limit. or is it Past?

You have 253 was it 254 or 225 Mods MAX?

Aye, it is an impressive list. Wrye Bash says: 251/347

Out of those 251, I have 12 (Merged) mods which include smaller ESP that change a single thing (Stylish Jump, 2nd to 1st person.. etc) - a total of 49 of those. Would bring the total amount of mods close to 400 (396 to be exact). :poke:

Played roughly 34 hours on my save game, and only had 4 CTD (and 3 of them were due too much VRAM usage). I cleaned most of the mods, PyFFI'ed pretty much everything I could find, and added all known texture(s) (packs) I could find. Game looks so unbelievable good!

And the best part about everything, stable as hell!

Lunat1c

» Fri May 13, 2011 8:24 am

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» Fri May 13, 2011 6:19 am

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» Fri May 13, 2011 7:27 pm

Hello,

While doing some exploring I stumbled upon a cave called "http://i42.tinypic.com/25sy2c3.jpg". The interior was rather http://i43.tinypic.com/2vvrpdx.jpg than what I have seen before, but oh well.. nothing which my character can not handle!

I went on, and http://i39.tinypic.com/15mfi39.jpg a section locked with some doors (which would let me enter "Ice Witch Den"). Upon entering a loading screen pops up, but instead of entering it - I ended up with a CTD. I immediately used FormID Finder (what an awesome mod!) and it showed me that I was going through something from OMG.

Something in that section is making me crash, and my first thought would be lacking files. I re-downloaded the mod, and compared it to mine (I cleaned the ESP and PyFFI'ed the meshes) but no sign of anything missing. I tried a non-cleaned ESP - but that did not help.

The read me stated that one of the requirements for this mod was "Cyrodiil Upgrade Resource Pack"... OOPS, I missed that, since I thought "Dragon Captions - Resource Pack - DCRP" included everything from it (I have the whole package installed with the ESP). I went on a search-spree on the net, and the only thing I could find was a http://www.filefront.com/13277444/Cyrodiil-Upgrade-Overhaul-6/ that had several ESP, and some sound files (no actual textures/meshes). Am I lacking something from a default package? Are there any links to this by any chance?

The particular section (door) which caused a CTD is http://i44.tinypic.com/wje49s.jpg. I am running a FCOM install so I have FCOM_OMG as well (I do not use Slof Robe Trader so did not use the FCOM_OMGSRT ESP).

I have not altered my load order, so maybe the problem is related to that.

Any help would be appreciated,

Lunat1c

The DCRP should indeed include any needed resources not provided with OMG itself. Latest version of OMG is 6.5, the Witch material was added in v6 and may not have been fully stable in that version.

It's the second Witch Cave interior you're trying to enter. I just tried entering that cell myself (using v6) and it loaded without problem, so it doesn't appear to be an issue with the cell contents. There could have been some script-related issue causing an upset for you possibly. Also, you said you PyFFIed the meshes. Did you try with the original unPyFFIed meshes? Sometimes PyFFI doesn't work quite right, and some meshes don't like being PyFFIed. It could be that the game tried to load a mesh that didn't PyFFI correctly, this would cause a crash.

» Fri May 13, 2011 4:00 pm

I have not tried the original meshes, but will do so next weekend.

However, it seems that I pissed someone off since I was asked - on a very "friendly" way to stop asking questions regarding CUO. I usually do not give a rats ass about it, but since I am new here I will be quiet (that is if I get a straight "why" answer from this person).

Lunat1c

» Fri May 13, 2011 5:53 am

Alright, I got my reply. I am actually shocked, that to a side.

I was asked to refrain from asking questions regarding CUO, which I would do - I totally respect that. So I created a post on that "other" forum, explaining my problem and before I could post, I found myself banned. :shrug:

I will configure OMG later this week, and see if I can get it working. I will post my results here as well. Should learn them to stop acting like children.

Lunat1c

» Fri May 13, 2011 7:19 am

Sorry to read about you getting hit the ban-hammer.
That is somewhat typical from what I've read.
You really have only 3 choices:

1) Continue to ask your questions here (regardless of the "freindly" request you received) and hope someone can help. There are a lot of sharp people here.
2) Remove all of your FCOM related mods except for MMM. Maybe then you can get "un-banned".
3) Remove all of the authors mods and paly without them.

» Fri May 13, 2011 1:33 pm

No worries - I have faith in you all.

Lunat1c

» Fri May 13, 2011 9:27 am

Can we just stop this, please... There is no support for this combination in either community. Either stick with the old version, work it out yourself or move on. It is not about being sharp or friendly. There is just no reason to spark tempers over this. Do NOT bring up using their mods together here, please. If you can find someone to help you in private, fine. I understand you were not around for the history of this dispute. Therefore, just let it be...

» Fri May 13, 2011 4:56 am

Where can I get OMG? I don't use any fcom so I should be allowed to use OMG right? Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask.

» Fri May 13, 2011 6:13 pm

I was asked to refrain from asking questions regarding CUO, which I would do - I totally respect that. So I created a post on that "other" forum, explaining my problem and before I could post, I found myself banned. :shrug:

Take that as a hint that the mod is not worth the aggravation. There are enough of other mods out there.

» Fri May 13, 2011 9:12 am

Im really confused but wont say or ask anything else about it. Pls can someone pm me the link to get the mod.

» Fri May 13, 2011 12:48 pm

*sigh* This appears to have run its course.

Cross forum trolling is never a good idea - in either direction - as I had to delete a post or two. :stare: