The Torban Cotright chronicles

Post » Fri May 13, 2011 6:25 am

My fanfic is about a Imperial trader called Torban Cotright. I will release each part in journal type style. Five journal entrys will equal one part so here is my first part. I apologize for each entry not being long but I want to keep the entrys brief when he travels and long when he is staying in a tavern. I play this character in roleplay so what happens in this happens in my game. Constructive critisicsm is welcome!

The Torban Cotright chronicles:
Part 1

Journal entry one: Last Seed 28, 3E433 3:10pm
The road to Bruma is long, longer than it had been before...before prison. Now all I have is lame horse for company and transportation. The produce I take to other towns isn't getting lighter either. A War hammer, Claymore, three daggers, four long swords and a mace all of them iron, I won't get much profit but at least it's something.

Journal entry two: Last Seed 28, 3E433 3:22pm
I just came over a sight that brought back memories.... bad memories. It was an Imperial Legion Soldier killing a wolf. The blood was running everywhere, I started to feel a sickening feeling, I emptied the remains of my lunch onto the side of the road. The Imperial Soldier looked at me with concern before carrying out the rest of his patrol. I skinned the wolf for its pelt, anything to keep the money rolling in. After skinning the wolf I was shaking, the memories of Louise's death came back to me, her screams, those horrible screams of pain! That woman shall pay for Louise's death, she will pay.

Journal entry three: Last Seed 28. 3E433 6:03pm
I should reach Bruma in another day if the weather favours me, maybe I will maybe I won't. As I sit here by the small camp fire by the side of the road, I think of Louise and her last words "Find Elda Dark-Heart"" before her beautiful face fell into the sea. When I reach Bruma I shall fulfil my love's request, I shall ask around and see if any know of her. But for now sleep is needed.

Journal entry four: Last Seed 29, 3E433 1:04am
I can't go on, I just can't! I was attacked by a mage in the middle of the night! Her! She must have sent him, to kill me before I could tell the world of her doings! She won't get me! I won't die like Louise! Blood.... I see blood, seeping out of my arm the mage managed to cut my arm, I tear part of my shirt to use as a bandage but blood is still coming out. I can't use my arm to wield my sword, I can't defend myself, I'll have to run if anymore danger arises.

Journal entry five: Last Seed 29, 3E433 7:07am
I woke at about 6:00 in the morning the wound seems to have clotted thank Stendarr, after a brief drink from the little pool I camped by I took a swim to wake myself up, when I went under a waterfall to wash myself fully I found a enchanted ring. When I put it on I found myself to be sneakier. I put the ring with the rest of the goods to sell and journeyed out to find food along the way to Bruma.
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Nikki Hype
 
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 3:07 pm

Just a note to apologize at the terribley undetailed first part my second part is going to be much more descriptive and in-depth with speech as well
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 3:52 pm

Journal entry five: Last Seed 29, 3E433 7:07am
I woke at about 6:00 in the morning the wound seems to have clotted thank Stendarr, after a brief drink from the little pool I camped by I took a swim to wake myself up, when I went under a waterfall to wash myself fully I found a enchanted ring. When I put it on I found myself to be sneakier. I put the ring with the rest of the goods to sell and journeyed out to find food along the way to Bruma.


The journal format is challenging to write. You've got to be careful what you put in the journal. For whom is Torban keeping the journal? Why?

So far what I've seen is interesting. The last entry kind of jarred me a bit though - it seemed to end a bit abruptly. Did he find the food? Has he arrived in Bruma yet? The other entries felt more natural to me with their conclusions.

I'll keep an eye on future posts and see if I have anything else to add. ^_^
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 6:01 am

Thanks my next part should be done tomorrow which develops the story more
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Anna Beattie
 
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 8:00 am

I'm not one to judge as i have yet to post my first fanfic, but i did notice it a little odd that

"It was an Imperial Legion Soldier killing a wolf. The blood was running everywhere, I started to feel a sickening feeling, I emptied the remains of my lunch onto the side of the road."

was shortly followed by

"I skinned the wolf for its pelt, anything to keep the money rolling in."


It seems a little odd that seeing a wolf getting killed would make him vomit, but skinning it leaves him unphased. In my opinion skinning an animal would be a much more gruesome sight than seeing one get stabbed.

Perhaps write down in future more on how his recent actions made him feel. Like maybe he resented skinning the animal but knew that he had to do whatever he could to make money and survive. a fact that you did touch on but perhaps explain it in more detail even though it is a journal entry.

but i say definatly write more, no-one can tell you to stop
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 7:11 pm

Well now, first off let me say welcome to Tes fan fiction, we're always glad to have new writers :)

I am very glad that you said criticism is welcome, because little brings me more pleasure than giving some meaningful advice to new writers. It's like giving back to the community, a noble deed everyone should try. But enough for sentimental jibber jabber, on to the critique!

Your story shows some of the classic mistakes of fresh authors, things that, for the most part, will pass in time without much difficulty. This is not something to become disheartened by, the earlier you learn from your mistakes the more quickly you get better, no? So, I'll focus on these three areas first: grammar, infodumping, and characterization.

Journals can be difficult to write well, but when they are they can be more chilling than any narrative. They offer the unique position of showing the innermost thoughts of the character, and allow us to see things after the character has reflected on them. There are quite a few tips and tricks with journal writing, but for now I wouldn't focus on those. In fact, after you finish this story I would very much advise you try a third person narrative. The same kind of stories you read in your favorite novels; I think they are far more fun and exciting than journals, but that's just my opinion.

Now then, time for a quick grammar lesson. I won't go through and point out every single mistake, that would quickly get tedious for both of us, but I will show you some examples of the types of mistakes you are making. Grammar is a tricky business, but it's something all writers need to learn if they want anyone to read them. It's just expected with good literature. Of course, with a journal you can write however intelligent your character is supposed to be; a peasant would not know the subtle uses of a comma, for instance.

First example:

I should reach Bruma in another day if the weather favours me, maybe I will maybe I won't.


Within sentences there are sections of words called phrases. The two kinds of phrases you need to worry about are dependent and independent; yu might have heard of these in your English or Language Arts class. Independent phrases are those that can stand alone, a complete thought, as their own sentence. Dependent phrases require an independent phrase to latch on to in order to be a sentence. Combining the two usually requires a conjunction and comma or a semi-colon. Commas can be recognized in speech by brief pauses, and sometimes it's just up to what feels right for writing. There are complicated rules, but I usually just play it by ear (leading quite frequently to an overuse of commas).

Now, in this sentence, the bolded part is the independent phrase, it can stand alone as a sentence. The last bit is a dependent phrase, it wouldn't make sense if you simply said it by itself. You combined the two with a comma well enough, but the problem is that they are separate with each other as well. It's a rather strange saying to write out, but I would think it should be written like so:

I should reach Bruma in another day if the weather favours me; maybe I will, maybe I won't.


I changed your comma into a semi-colon, because although it could have worked, you needed that comma between will and maybe. You could also have put the semi-colon there, but it just doesn't look as good seeing as how those are really one expression together.

So just keep in mind that when you have a pause if you would be speaking it you need a comma when writing it. Commas are tricky, and spellcheckers won't catch them all the time, so it's just something you need to learn over time. Mainly use them when separating two clauses, such as this, or before conjunctions doing the same thing (like that). They can also be used for lists, interjecting a small phrase, such as this, into a sentence, or when using words at the beginning of your sentence (like how I said "Well now, ..." above). If you need further explanation with commas let me know, or even better ask some of the actually qualified people (such as a certain English major I know...)

Anyway, moving on to the next grammar lesson (long and boring, I know. Sorry, it's the best I can do)

I woke at about 6:00 in the morning the wound seems to have clotted thank Stendarr, after a brief drink from the little pool I camped by I took a swim to wake myself up, when I went under a waterfall to wash myself fully I found a enchanted ring.


Here is the enemy of a comma, the run on sentence. It's a difficult thing to avoid sometimes, but if it makes sense I reccomend separating this into two, maybe three different sentences. Most of the rest of your story takes place in simple sentences, it's just this one that really glared out.

Also, in the first part you make another minor phrasing error, which I also fixed in bold.

I think the best way to separate this would be to add in a period here:

I woke at about 6:00 in the morning; the wound seems to have clotted up, thank Stendarr. After a brief drink from the little pool I camped by, I took a swim to wake myself up. But when I went to the waterfall to wash myself fully, to my surprise I found an enchanted ring!


I made a few changes, and I for one think it reads a little smoother. They're just minor things, things that you'll probably notice on a second read through, and if not then you should start noticing them as you write more. There'll be plenty of people to point out your grammar though, trust me, you won't be in any short supply of advice there :)


Anyway, the boring part aside, I'll move right on in to infodumping. Now, for normal stories the exposition should start with a fairly normal scene to introduce the character and setting, and then by the end of the first chapter introduce the beginnings of the conflict. Journals it's much the same thing, except it's separated into journal entries. For the first few you should just focus on introducing who the character is (not describing his features or anything, but showing us what his personality and whatnot is like) and what he is doing at the time. Now, I am going to assume that his revenge scheme is the main conflict here, and that's where we get to infodumping.

After skinning the wolf I was shaking, the memories of Louise's death came back to me, her screams, those horrible screams of pain! That woman shall pay for Louise's death, she will pay.


When writing a journal, the first thing you need to think about is what the character would write in that situation. You have to think as realisticly as possible, you can't just add something because it advances the story. The story should advance itself naturally, you shouldn't need to come out with something as obvious as this. Be more vague, all we need to know is that he is emotionally crippled by an accident, perhaps a loss. All this detail is not really advancing the story or creating suspense, it's more like summarizing to the reader what your plot is instead of revealing it through clever writing. It's a tad bit more difficult to do in journals, which is why I advise narratives, but there are ways.

Infodumping is pretty much any long description of a character's past or thoughts, and it is more or less branded as such if it is not relevant or flowing with the story. Like I said, this kind of information needs to come across naturally, without the sudden abrupt feel an infodump gives it. Sure it helps the audience understand what's going on, but the number one tool of good writers is confusion. Ambiguity creates mystery, mystery creates suspense, and suspense creates drama. Drama, in short, is what keeps readers interested. It makes them care what happens to the character; without it even the most heartpounding, jump out of your seat exciting scene won't make the reader so much as bat an eye. Revealing the character slowly, with a lot of good juicy buildup, makes for much better characterization.

Alright, I didn't mention this at the top, but you get this for free: a random string of coincidences that happens to advance the story does not make a plot. A plot should start with one major event, and then everything from that point on is caused (directly or indirectly) from that event. The wolf appearing was a random coincidence that happened to bring to mind memories of his dead lover, unfortunately it will always bring the same sense of incompletion to your work. The plot needs to make sense with itself, and to be perfectly honest such coincidences are widely regarded as cheap. It, more than anything else, is what causes people to say that a story has "no plot". I'm not trying to put you or your story down, it's a truth of writing everyone needs to be aware of, and once again, the sooner the better.

Characterization is the development of your character throughout the story, either through direct narration or thoughts, or indirectly through dialogue and actions. How direct or indirectly you reveal bits of the character is the main dividing factor between a close and far person view (though with journals it mucks all the normal stuff up). Once again, you can't give a lot of emotional backstory about the character all at once and hope for us to connect to him. You need to give it piece by piece, with a good bit of mystery, in order for us to really feel for the character. That's the main key of good narratives, well rounded characters that leave the audience wide eyed whenever anything dramatic happens. They're called character driven stories for a reason ;) (Or, if you haven't heard that term before, a story that focuses more on the protagonist than the plot itself)

I have a bit more to say, but I don't want to make a critique any longer than I already have (as it seems I have once again exceeded the actual piece I was critiquing in length). Hopefully this all makes sense, but if you have any questions at all please do not be afraid to ask. I am always willing to help anyone that doesn't understand something, or at least try my best :D

So, for now I must bid you adieu, but in the meantime, thank you very much for your writing thus far, and keep up the good work :goodjob:
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 11:59 am

Galvon,

Pay attention to Darkom. I've read his comments on other threads, and they're always insightful and informative.

If I were you, I would print his whole post (yes, the whole thing) and tape that to the side of my monitor frame so it's always in front of me as I write. Great advice, all of it.

Also, don't let him intimidate you. :bigsmile: After all, he did take the time to post on your thread! It must mean something is good, no?
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 5:07 pm

Terribly sorry, I'm not one for pep talks and compliments. I usually add some in at the end, but I had to leave so I was rushing there. So let me say now that I do enjoy your story, though journals are not my favorite, and I am much looking forward to reading the rest. I could give you much more advice with real narratives, what with descriptions, pacing, dialogue, etc., but for now I am limited to grammar and the like. Thank you once again for writing, and please don't take anything I say in the wrong way. Sometimes I can sound like a pretentious know-it-all jerk, but really I'm usually not. Most of the time...

Regardless, thanks again, and keep up the good work :goodjob:
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 6:59 am

it's okay Darkom I didn't feel intimidated but thankful that you provided that plethora of information. Part two is coming along with more description and expanding the plot with Torban meeting Elda Dark-Heart. I now just have to say thanks to everybody for their critisicm to improve my way of writing. Big thanks to Darkom again and I didn't take anything the wrong way so don't worry ;).

EDIT: I am going to wait till I get the PC version of Oblivion before I write the rest of part 2 because I need more flexibility with the game. Shouldn't be a couple of days till the next part is released though.
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 12:18 pm

I think journals are fun to read and write because of what Darkom says; you can go very deep into a character's most inner thoughts. (granted' you can do this with a omniscient third person pov too) It's also very hard because you are effectively limited to one character so it's hard to keep it interesting. The best way is to let us know his perspective and his opinions on experiences. Keep it up and you'll find yourself improving every week. I know I have.
Make sure we feel for the character. Imo, there's nothing more character driven than a journal. To do, keep his character consequent and evolve him through experiences. Like was said about the wolf; you say he felt sick seeing the wolf get killed but fdidn't flinch when skinning it. I'd consider editing that part and make it more interesting.
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 5:30 am

yeh the skinning part was ment to show his need for money he would do something that made him physically sick to survive. Prob is, is that I didn't make this very clear but that's set to change with part 2 :)
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 5:16 pm

I've rushed into this to quick for my character so I am completely rewriting the plot and Torban. The new version will take place after Torban has saved cyrodil and is now a warrior and a old friend from his past threatens to uncover a dark secret about the two. i don't want the thread to be locked because in a week i will release the new torban cotright chronicles so thanks for your patience :)
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 8:01 pm

There's nothing wrong with starting a whole new thread, it's not like they cost money. I don't think the moderators mind.

But I am glad you have decided to start over, it's always good to plan out your plot beforehand. Now that you know a little bit of what to look for I'm sure you'll do much better.

Thanks :D
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 11:10 am

I think your story has potential, it just needs time to develop.

I agree, it's not a bad idea to step back, flesh things out a little more, then start a new thread when you have something a little meatier.

Put yourself in your character's shoes, and write that journal as your character. Think about the person you are writing the journal for, and what that person needs to know and understand about the journal. Is it for a grandchild? Is it for whomever finds the journal, no matter how many years later?

I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with. :goodjob:
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