Look at Space (Shor) as a force of Limit, since he is the get of Padomay-that-is-Sithis, who is the embodiment of Limit. As I've said (somewhere) before, perceive Shor's sphere of Space as a "container" to contain the infinite force of Time

yes but why is the infinite force of time a product of the anu/stasis, a solid finite concept? an infinite force that needs to be contained sounds more like a chaotic-padomaic concept... i guess my logic is different from the game devs.. but whatever

but back to the altmer? how does their mysticism propose the removal of "the rebel" or the padomaic essence of the universe, what does that have to do with undoing of the races of men, and wouldnt it also undo everything of known existance, including the Altmer, their beloved Aedra, and their own ancestors?

The space vs. time thing is iffy and I can't speak much about it.

But if Anu is unlimited potential, or infinity, then the only way to make something of the potential or to self-reflect is to introduce a limit. But this is hard to apply to the other strategies of looking at the Aurbis. Time in the hands of Akatosh, or at least on Nirn, seems like a limit itself. An arbitrary drumbeat that fortifies the Convention. But time surely orders things, even when it is complex and incomprehensible to mortals. Note that the pre-Nirn Aurbis was a tangled, impermanent field of flowing spirits, yet this is the purity the Altmer want to return to. It may sound chaotic, but at least they were not beholden to and limited by the forces of Padomay. To return to pure Order, pure Potential, on the other hand, is (to the Altmer) returning to undivided ANU, which is PSJJ. That is a bit loftier than purist nihilism, and more in the Endeavor's camp.

I don't think the Altmer want to do anything with the Rebel (capitalized) but they want to put the mortal world in reverse and un-make it. Yes, this would mean the destruction of everything, but you don't hear peasants and politicians saying "let's nuke the universe" any more than the Tribunal faithful go around babbling about CHIM. We don't really know how they would do it, but the best guess is it would involve mythopeia, manipulating myth and mimicking divine interaction, and manipulating reality through the Towers.

I think i had my concept of Anu and Padomey backwards. I would have thought it was Padhome(change) who was pure potential through the spirit of Sithis. And that Anu was a simply the embodyment of stasis. But wasn't PSJJJJ the result of Anu's division upon reacting with Padomey? I don't uunderstand how the forces of change are a limit on Anu.. you'd think that the force of Anu(stasis) is a limit on Padomey(change)? Though it is true that it was Lorkhan, a "son"(so to speak) of Sithis who instituded the mundus, upon the original shapeless void of spirits/ideas... ahh im back to confusion and contradiction!

EDIT: are you sure its not the altmer who want to return to undivided ANU, the psijic's who want to return to the shapeless existance of Anu+Padomey aka PSJJJJ, and the velothi who instead of returning to either want to trancend all three to a state of being higher than both?

I see what you're saying. Try to look at Anu/Anuiel as Infinity, literally EVERYTHING. See Padomay/Sithis as the Void, literally NOTHINGNESS. Also see Anu/Anuiel as Positivity, 1+ and see Padomay/Sithis as Negativity, -1. Padomay/Sithis/Negativity CUTS at Anu/Anuiel/Positivity, LIMITING it and bringing it down to a state that actually makes sense.

Basically, +1 and -1 come together to cancel each other out, but not necessarily in the traditional sense, if you get what I'm saying. What you basically get is Existence, that is, Static Change, Nirn, the Arena where these two forces constantly interplay with one another.

edit: Concerning the altmer...thats what he said. PSJJJJ is what happened at the very moment Anu and Padomay touched. Concerning the Velothi, yes. They wanted to get to http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml. This is the goal of all the Walking Ways, which is what the Dwemer wanted to do with Numidium, what Talos and Vehk want/wanted to do with CHIM, what the Maruhkati Selective wanted to do with the Prolix Tower, what the Velothi tried with the Endeavor, and what (possibly) Mankar wanted with the Scarab that Transforms into the New Man.

There are enough metaphors for the same thing that you can get them tangled with each other if you look at more than one at a time.

Disregarding the Limit metaphor, as people always seem to take it too far because of its flexibility:
Anu is stasis, but also crystallized matter in a state of stasis. It is the entire world, but completely dormant and lifeless because there is no action taking place, anywhere. Untapped potential. This has the potential to do something, but not until Padomay, relentless, patternless flux that is so constant as to be nonexistent at any point in time, acts on the potential and unlocks it.

Now the subjectivity begins. You have two opposing forces, and you know them as Anu and Padomay. But the Altmer call the universe before the interplay by the name of Anu. Then and only then does a split occur, giving you Anuiel and Sithis. So according to the Altmer, the order of Anu was what you had in the first place. According to the Dunmer, what came before the interplay was Sithis or the Void. If this seems contradictory, it's not. What is the difference between a whole world of potential that does nothing versus a hectic whirlwind of flux that changes too fast to regard? Both are nothingness. Both are [Z], the objective of the Dwemer and the Endeavor.

As to your edit, yes that is what I meant. The Altmer want the Aurbis back, their wheel without a hub or its spokes. Now I am uncertain what to think. [Z] refers to the final subgradient, which is, I suppose, the undivided godhead, the eternal I of the universe. PSJJJ is the moment where 'I' begins to become 'us four,' the first brush of the opposites. It is the first interplay that follows the first level of existence. Are they the same thing in the end, as there can be no difference between future action and present action when everything occurs outside of time? Or do some seek the power and significance of the interplay while others (Chim) seek to stand athwart it and be the entire world, indivisible?

Edit: Or have I gotten my terms mixed up again? Is PSJJJJ a name for Padomay or the change Padomay brought to Anu? Or maybe it is a name for the void which came first and was sundered. According to Vehk's Teachings, the "first brush" is the goal of the Psijic Endeavor. Vehk also says that from the success of the Endeavor you can regard the Tower, or the undivided Godhead, the objective of Chim. Chim is the Endeavor taken one step farther. I think this is enough to claim that PSJJJJ is interchangeable with [Z].

What do you mean by [Z]? and i believe reading that PSJJJJ is originally the name for the initial effect of padomay merging(for light of a better word) with anu, but was also used to describe the being/non-being that is Sithis. Infact it was said that the word "Sithis" was originally a bastardization of the unpronouncable "PSJJJJ"

Read my link. At LEAST the relevant part.

That part, mostly.

About the limit discussion, think of it this way. Think of everything that makes you who you are, then think of things that aren't what make you who you are. These things that are not you are Sithis, and this is why he is a limit. What you are not limits what you are because you can't be someone you are not.

And really PSJJJJ is just the original concept of Sitihis, and in some circles is the orignal god-head type figure as they regard Anu as "nothing" to which PSJJJJ is "something."

Indeed. "Stasis asks merely for itself, which is nothing," to quote both the Sermons and the book "Sithis," both Dunmer texts.

Just as Anuiel jumped up and said "I AM," Sithis came then said "I AM NOT." http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/sporedream.shtml