Need a little help : IV

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:01 pm

Hi, I have a small problem involving NPCs. There's a line that stretches out from them from a couple NPCs. It's not too common, but I always run into a few of them every time I play. What is it? How do I fix it?

Ive included a picture and load order below.

Plus if you see anything wrong in my load order, like any extra plugins that I don't need or shouldn't have let me know.

Thanks

http://yfrog.com/g0oblivion4p

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Jog_X_Mod.esm
02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 0.9.9]
03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
05 Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
06 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
07 TamRes.esm
08 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
09 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
0A VASE - core.esm
0B Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
0C CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
0D TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
0E FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
0F Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
10 Artifacts.esm [Version 1.1]
11 Better Cities Resources.esm
12 NNWAEMaster.esm
13 HorseCombatMaster.esm
14 ShieldOnBack.esm
15 Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0.esp
16 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.4]
17 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
18 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
19 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
1A Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
++ Shivering OOO.esp
1B Better Cities .esp
1C TamRes.esp
1D Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
1E Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
1F Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
20 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
21 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
22 Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
23 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
24 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
25 All Natural.esp [Version 0.9.9]
26 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ All Natural - EW + NW.esp [Version Final]
27 Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
28 MIS.esp
29 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
2A Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
2B WindowLightingSystem.esp
2C AliveWaters.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.78]
2D RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.5]
2E Shield on Back 3.1.esp
2F moDem's City Life.esp
30 Crowded Roads.esp [Version 2.0]
31 DLCHorseArmor.esp
32 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp [Version 0.91]
++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
++ ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp
33 Thieves Arsenal.esp
34 XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp
** Armamentium female.esp
35 KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp [Version 1.2]
++ FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp [Version 0.9.9]
36 ExnemRuneskulls.esp
++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9]
37 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
38 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
39 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3A Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
3B FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3C Loth's Blunt Weapons- Mobs.esp
3D Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3E Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
3F FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
40 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
++ OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp [Version 0.5]
++ OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0]
++ OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]
41 ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35]
++ Armamentarium SoB Patch.esp
42 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
43 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
44 FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp [Version 0.9.8]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
45 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
46 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
47 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
48 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
++ VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp
49 MMM - Playable Undead Armors.esp
++ MMM - Playable Undead Armors - Oblivion WarCry Compatability Patch.esp
4A Mart's Monster Mod.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ VASE - Vanilla SI.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4B TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
4C TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
4D ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_ArcheryArmamentarium.esp [Version 2]
++ FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp [Version 2]
++ FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
++ Fransfemale.esp
4E Shield on Back Plugin - OOO.esp
++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp
4F KvatchAftermath.esp
50 Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]
51 Artifacts.esp [Version 1.1]
++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0]
++ Artifacts SoB Patch.esp
52 Castle_Dunkerlore_V1.esp
53 (DC) Sutch Reborn.esp
54 Sutch Reborn Spawn Patch.esp
55 Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp
56 Extended Chorrol.esp
57 Extended Skingrad.esp
58 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
59 Imperial City Suburbs.esp
5A GlenvarCastle.esp
5B LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp
5C Malevolent.esp
5D NNWAREAyleidDungeons_Series1EV.esp [Version 2.2]
5E NNWAEDungeons-Series2EV.esp
5F NNWARE06-RhyeliaEmeroEV.esp
60 Side's Sailing Ships.esp
61 Sylar_INNMergedCyrodillInnsRevised.esp
62 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.3]
63 TheForgottenShields.esp
64 thievery.esp
65 Tona's_ModsStore.esp
66 VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
67 Twin Blades of Ichtyon.esp
68 Villages1.1.esp
69 WOTFH_1.3.esp
6A Weye.esp
6B 24HrArenaAliveV2.esp
6C DLCfrostcrag.esp
6D FrostcragRebornCobl.esp
6E Knights.esp
6F Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
++ EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp
70 The Lost Spires.esp
71 LostSpiresImpeREALFortsPatch2.esp
72 Mighty Umbra.esp
73 Blood&Mud.esp
74 Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 6]
75 MannimarcoRevisited.esp
76 MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp [Version 0.1]
++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]
77 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]
78 FCOM_OMG.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_OMGSRT.esp [Version 0.9.9]
79 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
++ FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9]
7A ElsweyrAnequina.esp
++ ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp
7B road+bridges.esp [Version 4.5.4]
7C Feldscar.esp [Version 1.0.1]
7D Vergayun.esp [Version 1.0.4]
7E Faregyl.esp [Version 1.0.10]
7F Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp
80 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.4]
81 LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
82 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
83 xulTheHeath.esp
84 MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp
85 XulEntiusGorge.esp
86 KvatchAftermath-EntiusGorge compatibility patch.esp
87 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
88 LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp [Version 1.2]
89 Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp
8A xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
8B xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
8C xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
8D OOO-UL-Sutch patch.esp
8E xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
8F xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]
90 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.2]
91 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
92 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
93 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
94 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
95 LostSwordoftheAyleids-ArriusCreek patch.esp
96 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2]
97 MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp
98 xulPantherRiver.esp
99 Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.esp
9A xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
9B xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2]
9C xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.3]
9D xulBlackwoodForest.esp
9E xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
9F Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
A0 DungeonsOfIvellon-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
A1 Villages-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
A2 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.1]
A3 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
A4 NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp [Version 5.0]
A5 West Roads.esp
A6 WR Villages Addon.esp
A7 bartholm.esp
A8 Bartholm-Panther River Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
A9 Fort Akatosh Redux.esp
AA FortAkatoshRedux-NewRoads&Bridges patch.esp
AB JQ-Fighters_Guild_United.esp
++ FCOM_FighterGUnited.esp
AC Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
AD Birthsigns Expanded.esp [Version 3.]
AE Enhanced Vegetation [150%].esp
AF Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
B0 RealisticFatigue.esp
B1 RealisticForceMedium.esp
B2 RealisticMagicForceLow.esp
B3 AgarMoreVariedSpellEffects.esp
B4 MidasSpells.esp
B5 attack and hide medium v2.1.esp
B6 RenGuardOverhaul.esp
B7 RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp
B8 Oblivion XP.esp [Version 4.1.5]
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.78]
B9 Ancient Elven Sorceress - EV.esp
BA 1em_Vilja.esp
BB Companion Neeshka.esp
BC bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicItemSigil.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicEVStartspells.esp [Version 1.68EV]
BD bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
BE EVE_KhajiitFix.esp
BF Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
C0 BCBravilB&MFULL-Barrowfields patch.esp
C1 BCCheydinhalFULLB&M-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
C2 BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp
C3 Better Cities - Thievery.esp
C4 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
C5 Better Imperial City.esp
** bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV]
C6 bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
C7 BubbleFx.esp
C8 NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
C9 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 0.9.9]
CA LandMagicPatch.esp
CB Bashed Patch, 0.esp
CC Streamline 3.1.esp

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:39 pm

You most certainly need to rid yourself of 05 Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm.
This file is never used with any any FCOM configuration that includes MMM..
Refresh yourself with the mod requirements by reading the opening post of the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1085113-relz-fcom-convergence-and-ufcom-relz/
There's a few others in there that should be either moved or deleted.
Use BOSS, run your load order and address the issues it reports.
The "stringy" effect is from Slof's Robe Trader. It's a long time issue, but not experienced by all users. :blink: Leaving your current cell and reloading your game should fix the problem - until the next time.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:27 pm

Thx Shikishima

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:41 pm

I think the bashed patch tweak with for the beast skeleton swapping thing is supposed to help with this issue...

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:52 am

Jepp, that's what I see as well. Again the tail bones are missing for this NPC. Slof's Robe Trader came with a skeleton replacement for the tail-less skeleton to also give it tail bones, but this seems to be common to be replaced by another mod install some time later.
Either create a copy of your skeletonbeast.nif to replace your skeleton.nif with it or use this fix from the bashed patch, likely giving all NPCs beast skeletons.

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:36 pm

I tried the Wrye Bash tweak and it appears to have worked. I ran around for a couple hours today it didn't see the problem once.

Thanks

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:25 am

No one really explained what's happening in any great detail, so here goes. There are two types of skeleton meshes used by NPCs in the game, skeleton.nif and skeletonbeast.nif. The skeletonbeast.nif mesh is used by races with tails, like the Khajiit and Argonians. When you create a new character in the CS though, the default mesh that's used is skeleton.nif. Some people forget to switch the two meshes however and end up using the default one for the tailed races. That's what causes those abnormalities you're seeing. It's the textures that are supposed to be attached to the tail trying to bind themselves somewhere, but there's nothing for them to attach themselves to. So they end up going all haywire. It's a pretty common thing to overlook when someone creates a new NPC.