CHIM and Morality

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:20 am

Call me something of a neophyte to the concept of CHIM, I have at least done my research and figured out the basics ;) - But it has led me to a number of questions about the nature of CHIM and how that ties into the nature of morality and the individual in the Elder Scrolls setting.

CHIM seems to create a Paradox; at a glance from ground-level the majority of the population seem to be individuals who are their own self, but of course viewed in the grand scheme they are aspects of the same entity, the godhead's construct. Achieving CHIM is supposed to be being able to properly comprehend your own duality as both an individual but also that the multiverse is also an extension of you (This whole thing reeks of Mysticism - I always knew there was a reason it was my favourite school of magic conceptually ;) ).

Anyway, taking into account that everyone and everything is aspects of the same singular "thing", where does that leave traditional concepts of morality once the CHIM-achiever knows the nature of life. Basiclly I'm trying to figure out if the CHIM-achiever is capable of good or evil; whether his or her actions upon the world amount to anything more than a child playing make-believe-tea-party with their teddy bears/smashing up their toy soldiers; and whether the achiever could use their powers to genuinely help or hinder the lives of the individuals within it in any meaningful way. If the individual is nothing more than an extension of the achiever does their life have any more value than that of the life of a *cough* NPC in a game of Oblivion? ;)

Are the individuals even in possession of true individuality truly self aware anyway, if they were there's no restriction to how many people could achieve CHIM at the same time, save for the fact it makes little sense a singular entity could possess two minds.

(Bleh, that took ages to write just a couple simple paragraphs xD - Roll on postlinguistic communication and thought)
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:08 pm

Good and evil are relative. Remember this.

Personally, I think Love is involved a great deal. So take from that what you will.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:56 pm

Fine, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNC0kIzM1Fo.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:58 pm

What does the minstrel owe his song:
The silver piece he earns to play't?
Or to the hag does't better go:
Who sits in the alley begging?

T'was many lonely nights and days
Trav'ling under sun and stars,
Marked by intermittent stays
In taverns or in shadow's arms.

It first was just a melody,
Iambic and ephemeral.
Echoing where moons' light gleams,
And conversations, sideways-turned.

Now each and every separate tone,
Discovered at mist-covered shoals,
Has been woven into a charm:
Brings his bread and foes disarmed.

What does the minstrel owe his song:
The silver piece he earns to play't?
Or to the hag doesn't better go:
Who sits in the alley begging?

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:49 am

I think a lot of this has been covered in a previous topic dealing with the fact that (possibly) both Vivec and Tiber Septim had/have CHIM, and the implications for conflict thereof.

The gist of it was that no conflict would arise, as both beings (the same being) would act out of love. I'm with 946000 in saying that the concept of love is becoming extremely important in TES lore lately.

But no, someone with CHIM wouldn't be "capable of good or evil", since these are not only relative, but creations and constructs, so a CHIM-person would in essence be the incarnations of both GOOD and EVIL, dissolving into each other and spreading out into nothing and everything to the point where they are not only relative, but one and the same. So really, an all-encompassing entity wouldn't be limited by concepts like good and evil, just the AE.

God is Love.
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