Now, I don't know too much about the Orcs but I do find them interesting.

From Daggerfall endings I have read the Orcs can establish their own homeland with the big golem and did not wish to conquer the world with it and did not. Now that shows that the Orcs, atleast the ones organized under the King of the Orcs, were not bad guys and just wanted their own land. Why were they hated and hunted so much? How did they end up joining the Empire with that huge golem under their control? Do you think this was good in the Elderscrolls Universe? Any comments you would like to add about them?

Well, some are believing that the reason of their horrid state is that Trimminac has been replaced by Malacath (who are the same, but opposite people). Before they gained their own territory, and joined the Empire, most people believed they were nothing but bloodthirsty savages, related to goblins. However, there are still a bunch who want nothing but to fight, or cling to Malacath.

I like orcs, I find them pretty sweet. My only beef is that OB made them look WAY too fugly. MW had it better...

Orcs are supposed to be ugly, Hellmouth! OB just made their heads look too big, round, and doughy.

what about the poor bretons that got eated by the orcy's???Cause didn't the orcs first come from some mountain in Hammerfall, i think i read it in a book in morrowind once...

Well, traditionally the Orcs are from both the Wrothgarian and Dragontail mountain ranges in both High Rock and Hammerfell.

Ah I see now, so they still ate Bretons though didn't they? And if not that, dont they hate bretons? Gosh there ssure is allot of hate between ppl.

Khajiits and Argonians hate eachother
Argonians and Dunmer hate eachother
Bretons and the Orcs maaybbee hate eachother.

Quite allot of HATE towards other races...i see war!

....*sniff sniff* ugh...Im goona go have a shower...

Bretons hate everybody, provided they're neighbours.
Nationalist bastards.

Bretons hate each other!

Orcs are also my favourite race in the Elder Scrolls. Too bad there is very little info on them. Maybe 5 decent books on them, tops?

http://www.imperial-library.info/pge/wildregions.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/pge3/orsinium.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/truenatureoforcs.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/orsinium.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/pig_children.shtml

Not sure if there are any others, I am no lore expert at all so may have missed some.

One thing that always catches my eye is this line from Pocket Guide to the Empire (First Edition): Wild Regions.

"literally, 'Orsinium' means Orc-Town in the early Aldmeris. The goblin-ken (orcs, ogres, gremlins, and other beastfolk) that live in Orsinium favor the Elvish name for their settlement, for it suggests, at least to human ears, a glorious and beautiful fortress-city instead of the squalid and filth-ridden village-and-keep that it is. It was founded during the Camoran Dynasy, when hundreds of beastmen were set free by the rulers of the Summerset Isles and allowed to settle lands north of Valenwood. These Orcish tribes chose an uninhabited mountain region"

Does this mean that Argonians and Khajits live there as well and that they were part of the "beastman army"? I know that the orcs were originally thought to be beastfolk and that would explain at the end when they "[set free] hundreds of beastmen" and then say "These Orcish tribes". But at the top it says "orcs, ogres, gremlins, and other beastfolk". So does anyone have any specualtion into what that would mean?

I highly doubt it. But that's just me.

The Argonians are unlikely to have been slaves in Summerset, since the two lands are so far apart.

Khajiit, maybe.

More likely we're talking about goblins, ogres, lizard men, minotaurs, centaurs, werecreatures, those kinds of nasties.

Grotwog was quite the warrior, but it's a shame the Breton went down without barely a fight. I wonder if in 2016 when TES: 6 comes out, I hope it's in Orsinium.

:nope: No! I'm beautiful!

:hugs:

eh; the orcs can be intresting if they work more around them, orcs seem to be quit loyal and strong to the empire, and now there is no emperor and probaly many nobles are going on a vulture tour, i would vote the orcs are getting there own provincian

That's the impression I'm under. Seems to make more sense.

That book is filled to the brink with Imperial propaganda. Orcs weren't seen as Imperial citizens back then, so the writer is heaving [censored] upon them to make sure there won't be even the smallest chance of somebody thinking that "hey, maybe those creatures actually have feelings, and maybe we should stop this sanctioned butchering of them and treat them like real, thinking beings?"
Simplified, that is. They were "enemies". Enemies need to be hated, or soldiers won't fight as good against them.

And Beastfolk seem to refer to most creatures that are neither men or mer, but at least looks somewhat like them, and (perhaps) are more or less sentinent and intelligent. For example, there are no relation at all between Kahjiit and Argonians, and probably not with the Ape-men Imga either (unless they share the Khajiits' history), but still, they are all called "Beastfolk".



Gortwog is an even better politician, so is TES V is in Orsinium, perhaps we'll get som real politics!


Orcs are only loyal to the empire because they want provincial status for Orsinium, and protection from their ("former" :rolleyes: , in some cases) enemies in High Rock. With such a scheeming little rat as their leader, Orsinium would probably fall in behind whoever proved to be the strongest force if the Imperial Sovereignty was questioned.

The Orsimer are a living inconsistency that defy all logic and reason. Why do you think Talos was so interested in them to the point that he became one for awhile? And as for Malacath...

Fixed.

Orsinium is a very small place, it's within High Rock.

And the Orcs are nice people. They used to be a type of Aldmer. From what I understand, Trinnimac was eaten by Boethiah, turning him into Malacath, and creating the race of Orcs.

Orcs were the dispossessed Jews of TES. (With the obvious differences that orcs are tusked, green, belligerent monsters who got a homeland by crushing the armies of their neighbours under the bronze heel of a giant robot.)

I eat bretons TISH they're french!
Anyways don't forget Altmer hate evry other race.

Don't forget the Nords. They hate Altmer and Bretons and Dunmer.

The Akaviri races have no shortage of hatred for the other races either. The snakes probably hate the other three races, and probably humans for killing off/driving away all of their kin in Tamriel. The tigers and monkeys are friends, and both hate the snakes and snow demons. The snow demons also probably hate everyone else.

Yeah, I know those aren't the actual racial names, but I'm too lazy to try and spell all of the races out.

I never really have played an Orc but now that I know more history about them I think they are pretty neat. I mean it was very noble of the King of the Orcs to only use the golem to create their own homeland instead of conquering all. I don't know of any other leader who would do that.