Yeah, because we totally expect every single girl to have a size zero figure, bleach blonde hair, a bronze tan, and DD bra size.... And what do we expect her to do? I can't even mention it here...

:P

huh ? Disney? porm??? Decades??? Cinderella? what??? :confused:


lol I don't think it'd be a clever nor savvy idea to post my reply to that on a gaming forum



lol too bad I lost my quote when they changed the forums

Ha! I don't even remember why I said it.

I think it was a hair thread (how long is your hair), and I said I wanted to be able to ride through the woods on a horse with only my hair as covering, or something like that, yeah?

While I agree with Ratslayer that relationships with controlling, stalker significant others are unhealty, and for that matter, downright dangerous, pron is a little more of a touchy subject. Now while visual and mental stimulation do have their place in a healthy relationship, (god knows I like it) the physical and societal expectations women feel they must live up to, and are for some, impossible to attain, those demands can be detrimental to their self worth.
In regards to Disney, basically princesses must be beautfiul, need rescuing, do little more than be a cog in the machinations of men or evil intelligent women.
Face it, Cinderella was a perpetual victim, she never made any effort to contact the authorites about the horrible way she was enslaved, she didn't seek legal representation to settle her father's estate, and if she had'nt of had her looks, and a magical fairy godmother, the prince wouldn't have givern her a second thought.
Snow White was the same, stupid, vapid, and she should have had the Queen tossed in the dungeon, instead of settling for playing house with seven pissy miners and taking posioned apples from strangers. Same with Sleeping Beauty, same with poor Belle, who actually did have book smarts, but had to svck it up and put up with verbal and mental cruelty due from the beast to her father's pointless [censored]ery. Does Belle persue a healthy relaionship outside the village, someone besides hunterman or the beast?
NO, she falls in love with her abuser. WAY TO GO DISNEY.
I cannot tell you how many arguments I have broken up or mediated on the playground because a group of little girls can't decide who decides the game. One, and it varies, will always insist that is her, because she is the prettiest. and in the movies, the prettiest girl gets it all. Now if that isn't [censored] up. I don't know what is. Females are bombarded with images from the time they are small about what is societally acceptable play, dress, appearance, their insufficencies, and how to achieve acceptability.
Last Christmas, looking for a friend's daughter a toy, I was highly dissapointed. Boys had cars, with roads to build and drive them on, toolkits, bugs, radio controlled dinosaurs, swords, weapons that shot projectiles, machines to bake gooey plastic monsters, and airplanes, plus action figures to round out social development. In short, toys to stimulate the mind, and keep physically healthy.
Girls had dollhouses, dolls and doll clothes, easy bake ovens, kitchens, babyneeds, vaccum cleaners, and cupcake makers. Dress up, makeup, and heads you could make up and put jewlery on. So in short, look good, and perfect your domestic chores early. Disney or Barbie on most of it. What a load of crap.
Legos, kinex, puzzles and games were on seperate aisles.
Emz is correct, Disney and toy manufacturers have been doing it for years, now we have Meyers getting her turn. It's nothing new.
Meyers had no problems finding a market for her series, not at all.



Phlooph is going to save us all as Lady Godiva!

Exactly what I meant but said in a far less flippant way - thanks.

Hmm didnt really think about that.
Allthough you could buy a "boys" toy instead, I have never understood why cars are considered guys things. I understand weapons because men fight wars, I know wome can joi, but as far as I am aware they are not infanty.
I dont see an issue with boys cooking wither (though I am talking about real cooking) because its a useful skill that allows independance.

Also dosent Mulan counter the other sixist typs considering she joins the army and kills atilla the hun. (was it atilla ?)
Then again disney supposedly has racism so there is probablly some sixism. But I have never seen disney make people the way twilight has.

Dont seee how porm setting expectations is an issue either, I thought its common sense everything is fake, plastic surgery, acting, everything. So I have never considered it an issue, but if people belive in that, then they are setting themselves up ofr dissapointment and thats thier fault. Just like if someone decides to join the army because they think CoD is "realistic". Some people o, not regenerating health or respawn obviously, but the way fighting works.

On the brightside, it seems mostly teens and younger are into twilight, so hopefully it will be a phase and when the books/movies are gone people can move on and forget it ever happened.
And maybe vampires can be awesome again.

Lol just for the record I understood what she was getting at in the former quote I was just provoking response for a valid point. Though I'm glad it turned out, for your post was an excellent read.

I couldn't agree more with both of you. The brain washing of feminine youth is sort of disturbing and this is made really clear in your point about the girls trying to decide what game to play. I'm surprised they haven't made pregnant barbie and sorority [censored] barbie. Hell why not...




Kain FTW

They dont need a pregnant barbie, they already have dolls where you look after them like babies feeding them and other stupid crap...

No idea who kain is.

Legacy of Kain

It may not have been the specific Barbie brand, but I had a pregnant Barbie-esque doll when I was younger. Her tummy had a hinge (c-section ftw ) and there was a little baby curled up inside. Off to see if I can find a link to it now...

Got all this on Google images:
http://www.google.co.uk/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=609&tbs=isch:1&q=pregnant+barbie&aq=f&aqi=g10&oq=&uss=1

- I think I had the blonde one, or something very similar.

I have both read and watched twilight. I read the book because I had heard that it was supposed to be 'the most romantic and action filled book of the century'.

I was a little concerned that this book was targeted at young girls, as it portrays an unhealthy relationship to be completely normal and something to be sought after.



And that's why I had Mulan as my role model when I grew up. I never liked the 'pretty princess-pen' that the girls around me seemed desperate to get into. I was more interested in lego and playing with wooden swords. While the other girls in my class played with their baby born in their little tea house, I was out wrestling with the boys.

My apologies.
The only issues I had with Mulan and Pocahantas were historical inaccuracies. My daughter actually had several Pocahantas dolls.
As for cars, yeah, they should'nt only be found on the boys aisle. Heck, my daughter is a better mechanic than my son. However, Disney has always made money from it's mass marketing to children, and will continue to. Their characters for children are not complex, but instead, usually sterotypical. Poor Ariel, she must change her very self to win the prince, for he most certainly won't love a half fish, half woman. In the Hans Christian Anderson story, it's all for naught, she fails, the prince hooks up with who he thought sang the song, she becomes foam on the sea, and the lesson imparted to little girls is don't change who you are to impress somone not worthy of your sacrifice in the long run. Relationships should not be based on lies about yourself. Aladdin is another perfect example of this.
The Disney versions do not show the consequences of dishonesty, loss, and failure. Which we all experience inevitably.
Ugly girls are always portrayed as evil, beauty is good, fat is lazy, stupid, princes only like hot chicks, and females who argue are disrespectful and tolerated because of love. That is bs.

There are a couple of authors that write well thought out stories for teenage girls. I highly reccoment Laurie Halse Andersons "Fever" and Suzanne Staples "Shabanu" and "Haveli"
The characters are complex, defined and the consequences of their actions are beliveable.


I read the first Twilight book about halfway through. My daughter brought it home and I couldn't stop laughing. Also, it svcked.

Nice. Now if only we had PMS barbie, and look it even bleeds...

Well if they did end things realistically people would complain about how its ruining thier kids innoncent minds, because everything has to be happy... Except Bambis mother dying. And Simbas father. But honestly I wold rather the actual endings, sure its not happy, but its life. And it would tach a good lesson. Although in the little mermaid he did kill the demon witch thing for her so its not all one sided
But as for the ugly = evil what about the hunchback of notredam (I cnat spell it ) He was a good guy, but ugly. Also despite what he did iirc he dosent get the girl, shallow lol. Atleast Disney didnt just make it so only 1 gender had to look a certain way.
I cant remember how was Aladdin bad ? I dont remember him lying he met her before he got to wish he was a prince iirc, or Jasmin lying, or anyone changing themselves.
Feels weird talking about disney I havent seen them since I was a kid.

Two things i can not unread, i thought atleast this site was safe!

But thanks for the lols :rofl:

I hate it but maybe if it was actually about homosixuality I might have liked it....lol