....because that's pretty much a deal breaker for me right there if it does.

Do you have a PS3? Steam is (I believe) used in the game.

XBOX? PS3? What is wrong with steam? (yes it will make you use steam)

Nah. I generally only play FPS on PC because:
a) mouselook craps all over sticklook.
B) RL friends play on PC.

I wasn't too happy about it either, but yes. It will.
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What's wrong with Steam? I know there are a lot on people that are Pro-Steam. I'm not one of them. Why?

• Can't resell games after you finish with them because they're locked to your account. Usually, part of the way I fund new games is to sell or trade in old games.
  
• Modders typically can't make maps or mods for Steam games. Instead it's limited to what the developers make and charge you a bomb for. I can understand the developers wanting to do this, but I miss the days when I could explore new maps and mods all the time. *sigh* The Deathball mod for UT3 was awesome.
  
• Steam allows for regionalised pricing for what is essentially the same thing worldwide. Why? I object to paying half again as much as the Americans just because they can, especially when the Aussie dollar is stronger than the American dollar.
  
• There's other reasons, but I couldn't be bothered adding to this list any more. There's plenty of websites that will tell you why Steam is a Steaming pile of ****.

Ah well, enjoy the game guys. I doubt you'll see me in it.

Uhhhhh no.

If UT3 was any indication for the PS3 for what console Steam is going to be like, then maps would add maps, but I heard no console Steam What-so-ever for this game.

Steam allows everything and supports mods. You have access to all your files, even hidden one (Through 3rd party programs). Are you getting confused with GFW-Live? GFW-Live is a great idea but executed terribly, like if they actually had people working on it, this idea of connectivity between Xbox and PC would be fantastic. Despite that, even GFW-Live allows for mods and maps if the game was designed that way.

Edit: I understand that you are saying that now they developers the option to do things similar to DLC instead of giving maps for free, but its all about who makes the game. Steam allows it but it doesn't enforce it like Microsoft does. It's all about the developer. If they charge for maps, they are probably too greedy to allow custom maps, too. But "God No!" Steam does not prevent access to player made maps.

Steam has no control over prices. [censored] MW2 is still expensive and is 65 dollars. It all relies on the publisher and not where its sold. All foreign prices are insanely expensive everywhere and not just on Steam. The only case of Valve doing anything wrong is that some of their prices in the TF2 store is rounded out, so pound-euro-dollar things are somewhat off.

Yeah I didn't quite understand that either. My reasons for not liking Steam very much are only account and support related. I still use it.




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Oh my. I know what you mean, from this one poor player who can't play TF2 without being disconnected in 5 minutes, no matter what computer he uses. A year later and still no fix. At least it's very small and uncommon.

I actually meant Deathball for UT2.

As for Steam allowing for mods and custom maps, yes I know it can, but more to the point, it allows the developers to lock modders and mappers out, so that the developers can extend their own profits with map packs, etc, but limit the creativity of the community.

I know Steam doesn't control the prices, but I still object to any digital platform telling me that I have to pay more than any other country for exactly the same thing (sometimes for less with our crappy ratings system). Call it irrational if you will.

So are you saying Bethesda is going to allow modders and mappers? I doubt it. Not if they can make another $20 mill profit from releasing a map pack in a few months time.... and there you have it. It all boils down to money in the end, doesn't it? (and that's exactly why Steam won't let me sell or gift my old games, too. They'd rather be making more money by someone buying it from them.)

There is a problem for making BRINK maps. Since BRINK utilizes parkour, every object that can be reached by the player must be programmed to let the player interact with it. Each and every single one. Because of the great stress required to make every object cooperate with SMART, SD has decided not to release an SDK editor.

Unless this isn't what you're talking about.

It's definitely not Steam that's locking people out, it's the developer. For example, Modern Warfare 2 doesn't allow anyone to mod or make maps for both the Steam-bought version and the standard version. Steam isn't a shield that prevents player-created maps.

The only thing you could get mad at Steam for doing is making it easier to charge people on the PC, akin to console DLC. Many companies have stayed PC faithful, and a lot of the time, they only charge for the fallout/borderland/vietnam- style expansions or for micropacks, which are mostly cosmetic and allow them to develop more free stuff. I could even argue that Valve only added add-on support to keep up with other developers/publishers as valve has never charged for anything, except for cosmetics and "weapon shortcuts" which they paid the original creators for.

This can only mean Valve, with their top hat and monocle wearing developers are really just trying to trick gamers to think they are cool before they bite us in the ass.

I understand that its you opinion that your voiceing, though, is it really that big a deal? What does steam do wrong? the only thing that you said for your reasons for not liking steam have been things that is out of steam control. They dont control pricing or modding. The only problem that you had with it that was because of steam was that you cant sell people your game, is that really something worth not buying a game that looks like it will be the best fps in a long time?

But again, its your money, you choice.

First off, I need to correct this:

I've used mods on Steam games all over the place. From Oblivion, to Dragon Age, to CS:S... It's not Steam that is limiting modding.

Also, I agree that it's not great having no re-sale value, but I like to hoard my games anyway... only resell console games.

The benefits of Steam are the DRM - just have internet at the point you want the game installed, then go into offline mode and you don't need the disk to play! Not to mention, if you have it installed already, you can still launch the game without launching steam, using a few work-arounds... But overall, I don't have quips with it for the DRM alone. One of my PCs doesn't even have a disk drive, so decrypting the disk and making an .iso is just a step less to make.

I honestly dont see any problem at all ( Other that was mentioned above.... No re-sale )

Other than this, I will be most defo getting my Brink through Steam....

Love steam - Had it for years , Never had a single fault with it....

Steam is probably one of the last few reasons that developers will develop on PC.

Benefits

- built in user account control

- no need for additional DRM to be included by the developer

- ability to download the same game on multiple PC's that you own, as long as you are only playing on one at a time.

- easy backup of your games if you're upgrading or changing HDD's

- excellent friends system for inviting mates into games and chat

- automatic patching of games

Downsides

- regional pricing structure that penalises buyers outside the US and UK

I dont get it that you say that steam prices svck ofcourse that is true but you don't need to buy your games on steam like i have steam but i only buy sometimes some off the offers if it is really good. Usually i buy my games elswhere than steam becouse 1dollar=1euro in steam. :angry: dont know how much the aussie dollar is.

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The whole point of SMART was do do away with these pre-programmed entities in a map. Smart Movement Across Random Terrain wouldn't make any sense if it was all pre-programmed "jump here, vault here, climb here", would it?

On SDK:


http://www.brink411.com/about-brink/the-ark/resistance/37-brinkish-qas.html