I have to agree there.

The Fallout 3 atmosphere is indeed of the good old post apocalyptic wasteland scenarios. On leaving Vault 101 and into the game, I had this distinct familiar feeling of "ah, this is Fallout ok", and gone were my concerns that it would be something less. Fallout 3 is indeed a great sequel of the scenario, and with so much improvement and polish, I was amazed. The wasteland is still wasteland but not as barren as the wasteland in New Vegas or the early Fallouts, there is content to be dug out of the rubble, as you would expect.

"I think the fans of Fallout 1 and 2 have gotten a bit too precious of the old stuff and what THEY think Fallout should be." They do seem to be, but they are entitled to their opinion, basically the only real difference between the old and the new is the game-mechanics of combat, turn-base and real-time, and the makers of New Vegas (those involved in making the early Fallout) dropped the turn-base combat, they at least were not so "precious" of that old stuff.

Fallout 3 in closer to what a Fallout RPG should be and I expect the next scenario to be along those lines with even extra tweaks and polish that 3 had. That's what Bethesda has a reputation of doing to a previous version.

Think you'll find no 3 was Oblivion! http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/02/16/the-100-best-pc-games-of-all-time/8/, no 2 was WOW and no 1 Deus Ex! Just wanted to http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/02/16/the-100-best-pc-games-of-all-time/10/ that out

According to who?

I was quoting from Wikipedia:-

PC Gamer gave Fallout 3 2nd place on its '100 Best PC games of all time' list, praising its user-modifications, deep gameplay and overall polish.


A few more:-
10th Annual Game Developers Choice Awards -- Game of the Year 2008
-- Best Writing

IGN -- Game of the Year 2008
-- Best RPG
-- Best Use of Sound

GameSpot -- Best PC Game
-- Best RPG

Golden Joystick -- Award Ultimate Game of the Year 2009
-- Award PC Game of the Year 2009

E3 2007. IGN gave it the Game of E3 2007 award, and GameSpot gave it the Best Role-Playing Game of E3 2007 award.

Following the game's demonstration at E3 2008, IGN also gave it Best Overall RPG, Best Overall Console Game, and Overall Game of the Show for E3 2008

Game Critics Awards gave the game Best Role-Playing Game and Best of Show for E3 2008

GamePro Magazine awarded the game "PC Game of the Year" 2008

Fallout 3 won numerous awards from gaming journalists and websites amongst them
Games Radar,GameSpy, UGO, Gamasutra and the Golden Joystick Awards.

At the 2009 Game Developer's Choice Awards, it won overall Game of the Year along with Best Writing

Best PC Game from GameSpy

At the end of 2009, Fallout 3 was featured in IGN's Best Video and Computer Games of the Decade (2000–2009), with the game being placed top game of 2008 and 7th overall game of the decade.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/06/10/pc-gamer-top-100/ = no 10

Wikipedia:

I'm not disagreing that FO3 is/isn't a great game, I really love it, and it rightly won game of the year awards (hence the GOTY boxset I myself bought at christmas) it just wasn't no 2 in that list.

Anyhow.....

Sitruc, on 25 March 2011 - 07:51 AM, said:
PC Gamer gave Fallout 3 2nd place on its '100 Best PC games of all time' list, praising its user-modifications, deep gameplay and overall polish.
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"Think you'll find no 3 was Oblivion! FO3 came in at around 27, no 2 was WOW and no 1 Deus Ex! Just wanted to straighten that out"
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....it just wasn't no 2 in that list.
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YOU NEED TO READ THE AWARDS PROPERLY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_3




That's the relevant chunk of awards confirming what I said, there's much more.

Confirmed
PC Gamer gave Fallout 3 2nd place on its '100 Best PC games of all time' list, praising its user-modifications, deep gameplay and overall polish.

I started Fallout 3:GOTY last night for the first time (played Fallout 1 and 2 in the past) and ended up spending hours at the PC. It's kind of scary how Bethesda's worlds can draw me in, as "Morrowind" and "Oblivion" did too. Great job Bethesda.

Currently my character is encountering the Talon mercs for the first time.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/02/16/the-100-best-pc-games-of-all-time/8/ http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/06/10/pc-gamer-top-100/ They do a new list every year, and games tend to place differently each time for the most part (though Deus Ex has had a pretty firm grip on the top spot for a while now, and rightly so too).

It's all a bit meaningless anyway, these lists are supposed to be a bit of fun, rather than a scientific process for determining what the best game ever is. Like with awards, you should only take them *so* seriously.

Well, what some people see as grinding and dungeon crawling for loot, I personally see it as exploring a wasteland to see what's left of the world before the bombs fell, maybe learn a thing or two along the way. And that I love - not tedious grinding, but exploring.

edit: I had a look at the list, and you gotta give bethesda credit for making 3 of the top 30 games Only blizzard managed a similar feat with D2, SC2 and WoW.

new vegas feels..... empty by comparison and i couldn't get into it because the atmosphere was off

Fallout 3 is timeless no matter how many times i played it i never got sick of it.

Whatever .... but time changes nothing of the fact of Fallout 3 being a deep gameplay and having overall polish in a fantastic game.

You can try a poo-poo it as much as you like but I have played it .... and it is so true.

Not so meaningless after all.

It is for me

F3 is a good game, do doubt about that, but Deus Ex 1 easily trumphs it and I just finished that two weeks ago. :trophy:

I also find it quite funny when your usual "awards" argument gets dismissed even by fellow F3 fans.

Ah you finished it, Deus Ex, one of those games that finish early.

Great game though Deus Ex is, Fallout 3 seems to never end .. 3+ trophies.

This. I have played though FNV about 4 times now trying to get most of the endings. At the moment I am back to Fallout 3 butr will return to FNV when the DLCs are released on DVD. if i had to choose it would be FO 3

They both rock. I liked how Beth managed to do the whole scenery and stuff. As a story RPer my preferences are a bit different, but the sandbox approach never gets old, I gotta give ya that.

New Vegas does some things better (open plot, companions, reputation, craftable aid, hardcoe) and Fallout 3 does some things better (more involved sidequests and rewards for them, craftable weapons, player housing). I personally love them both, as much as I also love Fallouts 1, 2, and Tactics.

I decided yesterday to play one of my old Fallout 3 characters until Honest Hearts comes out for NV. My goal is to draw out my current NV character, do as much as possible in the base game, and have that character play all the DLCs.

When I loaded up the FO3 character I was on Mobile Base Crawler and had cleared the first level. I still have Point Lookout to do (I'll probably pass on MZ), and some sidequests to do on that playthrough, so I should be able to keep myself occupied until the 17th.

Not an extreme departure, more an evolvement, or how it should have been more like in the first place. Totally Fallout 3 has the Fallout post-nuclear scenario feel with all the essence and type of content as of old, and as I play and absorb the game I see that is now so much closer to perfection.




True the combat is no longer board-game playas of old, something that had no place mixed in with RPG. Focus on combat was also very much the game of the early Fallouts, and sadly at the expense of the role-play. Interactions in Fallout 3 with quests and storylines now have no easy clear result decisions, morals are now down to the player, nothing is black and white there are now many choices. Now in Fallout 3 it's not all down to skill proficiencies which takes much away from moral choices.



Well Fallout 3 did sequel the early Fallouts in respect of constantly having to fight enemies and gather loot, but it is now done so much better and is no longer a boring grind as it was in the old board-game play which you prefer, ok.



No "nostalgia" for the old Fallouts then ok, no "rose tinted glasses" either ok, very dark glasses perhaps then, whatever, something's wrong somewhere and we know it is not Fallout 3, maybe those of the early Fallouts probably not remembering how it really was. I played the early Fallouts, enjoyed them way back when there was not much else good going, true I got bored at times and there was little game challenge, but hey it was all new then so not to complain, but now playing Fallout 3 ... what a breath of fresh air, a fantastic improvement all round in every respect and with no boredom that I will ever have to look back on with whatever glasses I can find.



The Fallout series may have different atmospheres of play, but the Fallout sequels do have a constant game-play atmosphere and Fallout 3 has kept that atmosphere, and as I step out of the vault and breath in the atmosphere, I say to myself "ah, this is Fallout ok but so much better it's astonishing, it really is".

somehow doubled posted.

same here, everything here I agree with and have done.

cheers :foodndrink: