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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 12:41 pm

They have stated that they will work hard to have female characters in a sequel. So not buying this game only hurts the odds there will be a sequel and therefore hurts the odds that a game with strong female and male customization is ever made.


And they stated that women would be in, way back in early production.


as stated way back in production? you can't take anything stated way back in production as binding. I'm sure there were a lot of ideas and other things that they said they'd do but got scraqed for various reasons.

It is honorable to stand by convictions but I really don't see how "not buying a video game based off the lack of female characters" is an honorable decision.



Exactly, so how can you take something said during the production of one game as "binding" in reference to a game that isn't even in production yet?
Because they're doing it as a way of standing by their convictions. It's not always going to make sense to people that want the game more than they want a female character to play.


#1 You can't really support the argument that they will add women in the next game based on what they have said since they said they planned to have women in this game and that didn't happen.

#2 Everyone always says "if you don't like it don't buy it" as a response to people when they speak up in an attempt to get things changed. These female gamers are speaking up and have chosen not to buy it in protest. Money talks so to speak, and maybe developers will recognize that the best way to get that demographic is by adding the one feature they want at the moment.


Sorry but I don't really understand what you're saying in the first two paragraphs, if you could please elaborate.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have women as a possible character in this game. And since you can have, what 10?, different characters leveling up at the same time I guarantee that I would have a couple of women as characters that I would be playing as simultaneously with my others. But to have gamers, GAMErs, basing the decision of buying a GAME only on the fact that female characters aren't included when it doesn't change the game-play even a little boggles my mind. I have never, NEVER bought a game on the premise of, who my character is, but on, game-play fun, replay ability and if my friends bought it (not important for this argument). I know there are woman gamers and I understand it must svck to be such a minority, but if you were GAMErs I don't know how much the fact that only males are characters would matter.

Also, this is a side note. People keep pointing out the fact there are obviously women on the arc so they should be there to fight. If I lived on the Ark I would not let any women fight. Think of it like this. If there was a village with 10 people, 9 men and 1 woman how many babies could be born in a year? 1. If a village with 10 people had 9 woman and 1 man how many woman could be born in a year? 9. Women are more important to the survival of a species than men are so they should not be fighting if there is a chance that there are only 50,000 people in the world.


To your knowledge. Humans are programmed to make certain attachments from birth. Boys have toy soldiers, girls have dolls, it's sort of the way of the world. You may never have noticed that you happen to choose certain things because those things have always been there, but to those that don't have those things to choose it's much easier to notice.

Gamers obsess over all kinds of minute details, this is hardly minute so why is it surprising that gamers would obsess over it?

And that isn't exactly how the idea of repopulization works. The ideal situation is to get a good mix of males and females from different families in order to keep the genetic code from blending. Less birth defects and other health issues that way.

The society divides up into groupings to help increase survival rates; hunters, gatherers, mothers, etc. Any woman over what would be considered acceptable birthing age would be fighting.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 10:06 am

I haven't laughed this hard in a while. I haven't been on in a couple weeks. been doing alot of michael jackson the experience research for the release tomorrow. come back to my thread to see this hilarious debate.


Honestly its not a huge deal. Think of the game as a cake.... it only comes with vanilla and chocolate frosting. Yes putting pink frosting on it would be totally awesome, but I'm happy either way. I'll just have to find another shooter with female models in the future so i can actually get my girl to play something else with me other than reach.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 10:29 am

#1 You can't really support the argument that they will add women in the next game based on what they have said since they said they planned to have women in this game and that didn't happen.

#2 Everyone always says "if you don't like it don't buy it" as a response to people when they speak up in an attempt to get things changed. These female gamers are speaking up and have chosen not to buy it in protest. Money talks so to speak, and maybe developers will recognize that the best way to get that demographic is by adding the one feature they want at the moment.

To your knowledge. Humans are programmed to make certain attachments from birth. Boys have toy soldiers, girls have dolls, it's sort of the way of the world. You may never have noticed that you happen to choose certain things because those things have always been there, but to those that don't have those things to choose it's much easier to notice.

Gamers obsess over all kinds of minute details, this is hardly minute so why is it surprising that gamers would obsess over it?


Thank you! I was always wondering why any people who wanted female characters were treated like, "Why are you obsessing over that so much?" by gamers when it's known that gamers nit-pick and say they won't buy the games for various other "minor" reasons (no deathmatch, no K/D stats, etc). :laugh:

And yes, just because the devs said they would put females as one of their priorities in the next game doesn't guarantee they WILL put them in the sequel. (That is why I'm having a
"wait and see" approach if there's a sequel.) Still, I want to BELIEVE! (I DO believe in fairies, lol!)

And, yes, I support those who do not buy the game because of lack of female characters or whatever reason. I'll definitely do that to the sequel if this kind of thing happens again (especially in a game with "deep" customization, lol).

I think this is actually kind of funny: the whole "no female/dude island/sausage fest" stuff is how I found out about the game in the first place, lol! I heard real people (my sister and friends and classmates) as well as people on gaming websites/fansites and gaming blogs (especially girl gaming blogs) were usually joking about the game's setting being a "dude island" with "ugly dudes", lol! :lmao:
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 2:53 am

Thank you! I was always wondering why any people who wanted female characters were treated like, "Why are you obsessing over that so much?" by gamers when it's known that gamers nit-pick and say they won't buy the games for various other "minor" reasons (no deathmatch, no K/D stats, etc). :laugh:

And yes, just because the devs said they would put females as one of their priorities in the next game doesn't guarantee they WILL put them in the sequel. (That is why I'm having a
"wait and see" approach if there's a sequel.) Still, I want to BELIEVE! (I DO believe in fairies, lol!)

And, yes, I support those who do not buy the game because of lack of female characters or whatever reason. I'll definitely do that to the sequel if this kind of thing happens again (especially in a game with "deep" customization, lol).

I think this is actually kind of funny: the whole "no female/dude island/sausage fest" stuff is how I found out about the game in the first place, lol! I heard real people (my sister and friends and classmates) as well as people on gaming websites/fansites and gaming blogs (especially girl gaming blogs) were usually joking about the game's setting being a "dude island" with "ugly dudes", lol! :lmao:


Although i whole heartedly agree with the "women should have been included" - Reality is....There not.

Dont let this get in the way of what a game is made for in the first place.....fun.

If i was a women (Or i take position in example of my girlfriend) - Id look past the whole "I want to play what i am in life" - Id squash that....create a char - Play the game.

Why? Because at the end of the night - If this game could/can deliver for me "As a women or man" - An amazing memorable night of great gaming, meeting new friends online - And having a blast.

Then its served its purpose.

Just cause the option of me not being able to go my Gender isnt there - I wouldnt let that sour your flavor on this title, But at the end of it all - The choice is yours. Its your cash.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 1:23 am

#1 You can't really support the argument that they will add women in the next game based on what they have said since they said they planned to have women in this game and that didn't happen.


Scrapping something for time and saying something will be a priority before development even starts are pretty different. I understand your point, I just don't believe it applies here.

#2 Everyone always says "if you don't like it don't buy it" as a response to people when they speak up in an attempt to get things changed. These female gamers are speaking up and have chosen not to buy it in protest. Money talks so to speak, and maybe developers will recognize that the best way to get that demographic is by adding the one feature they want at the moment.




To your knowledge. Humans are programmed to make certain attachments from birth. Boys have toy soldiers, girls have dolls, it's sort of the way of the world. You may never have noticed that you happen to choose certain things because those things have always been there, but to those that don't have those things to choose it's much easier to notice.


These two statements come off as conflicting to me - if girls are programmed to be attracted to dolls instead of toy soldiers, wouldn't that mean there wouldn't be enough females buying this type of game in the first place to make the loss of some of the female demographic's money not be significant enough to make a statement?

Gamers obsess over all kinds of minute details, this is hardly minute so why is it surprising that gamers would obsess over it?


What is and isn't minute is subjective, so I can't really argue about it.

And that isn't exactly how the idea of repopulization works. The ideal situation is to get a good mix of males and females from different families in order to keep the genetic code from blending. Less birth defects and other health issues that way.


Sure, but I would hardly call the Ark itself an ideal situation, much less a suitable environment to have other ideal situations within it. If the human species was on the brink (lawl, unintentional pun) of extinction, more numbers > less numbers, regardless of how closely related their genetic makeup is.

The society divides up into groupings to help increase survival rates; hunters, gatherers, mothers, etc. Any woman over what would be considered acceptable birthing age would be fighting.


If humankind was at the risk of becoming extinct, I doubt anyone would care about whether a woman was over the acceptable birthing age.

Thank you! I was always wondering why any people who wanted female characters were treated like, "Why are you obsessing over that so much?" by gamers when it's known that gamers nit-pick and say they won't buy the games for various other "minor" reasons (no deathmatch, no K/D stats, etc). :laugh:


Team Deathmatch actually affects how the game is played. Female character models are simply aesthetics. It's a bit more understandable to hear concerns about no Team Deathmatch over a lack of females in my opinion. And for the record, I'm against Team Deathmatch's inclusion.

I'm sorry if I sound cold, but it's just the way I see it.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 11:41 am

Well, I imagine female body types would usually be slim and their movement would be more slick, but yeah I cant imagine a heavy body type of a female.... it would look like a monster with a large gun.....

But, A normal female operative would be pretty cool, making a female look bad-ass and walking around shooting up some poor forsaken fallen comrade (Exagerating). :hubbahubba:
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 2:33 pm

Last post and I won't bother anyone again (sorry =( ), I promise! :)

Well, I'm going to be naively optimistic and think SD will include females in either the sequel or a future IP.

This kind of topic comes up sooooo much in Brink forums/fansites, gaming sites, blogs, etc (and even my Google search results has "Brink females" popping up
originally, lol!).

Also, it's not only females that want to play females. There are males (from what I have seen in these topics) that also would like
a female option as well. (That reminds me of Bungie/Halo forums in which both males and females expressed they prefer the female aesthetically).

Finally, to respond to peoples (in both Brink forums) who ask, "Why did nobody complain about males in other FPS'es, so why is there so many
complaints about lack of females in Brink?", well, people don't freak out about other FPS games not having females because: 1) usually FPS'es are in military / historical settings, so having no women is not really a surprise (when I saw the female pilot in MW, I was like 0_o "there's women that exist?", lol), 2) sometimes it's for story reasons, and 3) most FPS'es do not HAVE customization in the first place OR they do not have as "deep" / indepth customization as you would find in non-FPS games.

...In fact, what FPS DO allow you to customize your looks (besides Halo games)?
I think the only other ones I can think of are Rainbow Six: Las Vegas (but was that a FPS? can't remember) and......um..... can't think right now.

Uh, I guess Black Ops allows you to, er, write your nameon your guns, choose a gun (well, duh, FPS), and.... I guess, limited clothing options? (I don't play online with any FPS, so I cannot really know for sure, lol.)

Anyway, in most games that DO have customization (usually it's non-FPS games), gender tends to be, like, the first option you choose, ever.
Saints Row did not have females in the first game, but they decided to put females in the second one for whatever reason (don't know if they are doing it because they want to expand options or if fans asked for that or something like that). Halo didn't have female options until Halo: Reach, I guess? (But, I think, like Gears, story-wise, females were involved in the war somehow).

So, the end, I feel that SD will have female characters in the future and that they [should be] are aware of people wanting female characters (naive optimism FTW!....until it gets crushed horribly, anyway, lol). *sunshine and double-rainbows and :turtle: and :bunny: and :intergalactic:*
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 3:40 pm

@bunny that was a long post and I won't quote it for sake of stretching the page, but I see what you mean, and too hope they find a way to offer that option later. It's nice to keep everybody happy but it's not always possible!

What I don't agree with is people lashing out at SD when they don't seem to realise: a) the effort involved in making an entirely new character model, both the work involved and the strain on memory, and B) the shooter market and it's demographic, and how from a business perspective SD were totally justified in making this decision for the first installment of a new IP, even if it was gut-wrenchingly hard for them.
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